Heather O’Reilly calls out USSF member for disrespecting the USWNT

?? You read better than this usually.

It is about where celebrations come from, not "controversy."

 

Huh. Weird. You clarified and my question still stands. And there's nothing in your post that references specific celebrations, so I find your claim about my misreading to be hasty/oddly defensive. Maybe you actually WERE just unclear.

 

...and ya know what? Even if I did miss something blindingly obvious, telling me I'm better without trying to say what you mean doesn't help me see the damn point.

 

Well, y'know, sometimes you try, other times--often-- you just want to frame the terms of the discussion.

I said what I meant, and I can't be any clearer without buying your trojan horse of a question, which I not about to do.

 

If that's your position, I guess we'll both sit here in mutual misunderstanding. If you don't want to help me understand, I guess you can have that over me.

 

Sure looks like what's above should be discussed in private messages, if anywhere.

 

Ya, there's this weird thing where people who play guitar say "Clapton sucks, he's over rated." Uh, ok. So what if he "sucks" and is "overrated." I like it when he's rocking. Sometimes the Clapton bashers are coming from a place of racism. Only an African American guitar player can be Great. Sometimes is the people that are hyper technical. I find the guitarists they favor to be super sterile.

So, Clapton sucks. Ok, but I like a lot of the riffs he's created. People will say Tony Iommi isn't a good guitarist. Ok, but he's a riff monster.

The riff Clapton starts playing at 4:10 is probably super easy to play. But, to me, it sounds awesome.

And, few guitarists have set up their rig to get as incredible of a sound as Clapton did for Disraeli Gears. Check out SWLABR

or Outside Woman Blues

 

I agree. As, I've posted in this forum before, Women's international soccer is going to be super fun to watch.

 

Hold up, the reference to the Dream Team was posted as a defense of the WNT's behavior in the Thailand match. Not many people (except for Canadians) have a big beef with the score. People, including myself have a beef with their comportment. I posted that video to exemplify the difference on comportment between the two teams.

 

A follow up comment - it is sort of mystifying to me that Fleming can be absolutely, 100% invisible for UCLA vs. Stanford in the NCAA semi's, yet have a nice game vs the USWNT in Olympic qualifying .

 

No. My reason for posting that exa mple was to point out the differences in reactions to an evidently superior team running up the score. Nowhere do I mention celebrations by either team. You have made a grossly incorrect assumption.
I have not even seen the US-Thailand match; I have never offered my opinion on the US team's behavior in it. Please do not put words in my mouth.

 

I am sorry, did anyone object to the score? It would be disrespectful for the USWNT to take it easy on the Thai team, you play to the end. The only issue singled out by the international press and TV talking heads was the "excessive" celebration. I really didn't read or saw anyone complaining about the score. It was the biggest scoring world cup game (women's or men's) it is in the record books.

 

There aren't any posts in this thread complaining about the scoring, tho. In fact, the idea of the superior team not trying to score has been roundly criticized in a lot of threads as disrespectful. Your post left a straw wife and straw kids without their husband and dad.

 

In that case, I think the Dream Team got just as bad of a reaction to running up the score. And, again, aside from Canadians (who will criticize anything done by an American at any opportunity), people didn't really complain about running up the score on Thailand. It was the ridiculous celebrations.

 

Thank You Your Honor ………. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury………….

I cannot possibly convey the absolute feeling of emptiness and longing leading up to the events of June 11, 2019 as a result of waiting around in France, in a city like Paris with nothing, NOTHING of significance to occupy your time. Days spent staring at the sky, twiddling your thumbs, in essence being held hostage by the FIFA ping pong balls and those d*mn pots and being served coffee in shot glasses. The emotional toll on everyone, both the Team and the U.S. fans was palpable - - watching virtually every other Team play their first Match of the Women’s World Cup before Head Coach Jill Ellis was able to unleash the Greatest Team in the Universe.

Couple this with the unsettling feeling of the mystery of how many U.S. fans would be in attendance in Reims……...sure, there was a sense of optimism but we were thousands of miles from home – in a foreign country (only lil knew how many because of her Secret Operatives located deep inside FIFA Headquarters). After all, I’ve been at USWNT matches on American soil WITHIN THE LAST MONTH attended by less than 5,000. Imagine the sense of relief and excitement when the stadium filled and our numbers swelled to 13,000-14,000. Then, THEN the Only Team That Matters took the pitch raising our spirits to a celestial level. I can only hope that the Team realized that we were there to express our love for them, not merely to watch a sporting event. The Match was truly a home game for the USWNT on foreign soil. The entire evening was a celebration that reverberated through every fiber of your being for those lucky enough to be in attendance.

As someone old enough to witness the arrival of the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria, I positively cannot find fault and you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, should not find fault in the actions of the USWNT, nor should anyone restrict, criticize, limit or condemn individuals for expressing overwhelming, uncontrollable joy……Thank you.



Madam Foreperson, has the Jury reached a unanimous decision
We have Your Honor
What say you…..........…

We the Jury in the above titled action find absolutely no fault in the actions of the United States Women’s National Soccer Team but do find them profoundly guilty of being Completely and Totally Awesome.

Case Dismissed and I would caution those who would voice ridiculous, outrageous accusations in the future. Court adjourned.

 

Y'all are old as dirt. IJS

 

International football/soccer is very un-pc. There is such a thing as country styles and very different accepted fan behavior. While different country styles were watered down due to the rise and dominance of the male European game. Fans' behavior is still strikingly different.
For example, Brazilians are more tolerant of dives, particularly if the opposing team is physical. We have a belief that the referee is supposed to protect a skilled player, which is not written in the rules, of course. We also use colorful language and will tell your kids that soccer language (swearing) is OK for live matches but can not be used away from a game. The Ref is always fair game for abuse (unless it's racially based).

Some or all of the examples above might rub people outside Brazil (and to a larger extent Latin America) the wrong way. I guess American fans (or a part of the American fan base) are OK with their team celebration against Thailand and that is, of course, OK.

 

And proud of it