Been Waiting For This Moment.. All My Life.. Oh Madrid! - Welcome Eden Hazard

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  1. RMrules

    RMrules Member+

    Real Madrid
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    Aug 12, 2019
    Vinicius-Mendy partnership has a lot of potential if ZZ doesnt feck it up ofcourse.
    So much speed and phisicality
     
  2. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    You and other armchair physios wanted him back weeks earlier and again considering that he relapsed after only featuring for 130 minutes, the chances that he would get re-injured even by only doing cameos was very likely high which is why Zidane and people who actually know what they’re doing deemed that it wasn’t a good idea, and they were correct.
    You keep saying that I’m being defensive lol when I said the transfer has now officially been a bust, very weird.
    It’s pretty pathetic that you’re damn near celebrating his misfortune though., him being a bust does not only affect him it affects us as well.
     
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  3. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    Meh no one here, even those of us who rate him highly, has given him a pass for his Unprofessionalism, you’re trying hard to create a strawman.
     
  4. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Showing you don't know what the ******** you're talking about.

    First, relapses don't automatically mean you came back to early.

    Secondly, do you know how you relapses an injury fastest? Overloading the area with too much.

    Hence why Zidane should have made him play small cameos the past weeks which built ups his strength and resistance instead of starting the guy two weeks in a row and exceeding what he could handle.

    Then again that would mean Eden would have to take responsibility. God forbid!

    Who is celebrating? I have been angry and lashing out; for good reason.

    If this ignorant shit is the best you can do, stop quoting me and get in the line of the morons, trolls and Madrid haters of RMBS.
     
  5. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    Imagine being so full of yourself that you believe you know better than Zidane and the doctors who worked with Hazard everyday what the best way to handle him was, you’re a god damn clown.


    Your post pretty much boils down to “Hazard is a bust, he’s trash Na na Na boo boo” , and learn to read I said damn near so not exactly celebrating but there sure as hell is gloating going on on your part.

    You quoted me you dipshit, don’t want me to quote you? Don’t quote me, better yet you can put me on ignore, it’s that easy.
     
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  6. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    Real Madrid
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    Colombia
    I like Eden. He fuxked up. But we fuxked up more. No player, not even Messi, is worth 100 million for one season.

    Zidane and Perez wanted their toy but overpaid for a player that has never been a high goal or assist guy.

    They took a bad risk on him and he failed them miserably
     
  7. Eddie

    Eddie Member+

    Oct 19, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I don't see how we can blame Hazard for the transfer fee, he didn't put up that price tag nor did he force us to buy him for that amount. That was the clubs decision and they are responsible for it. You can't blame him for the injuries either, shit happens. The only thing you can blame him for are the bland performances with a rare glimpse of greatness and showing overweight during pre-season, something that he has done consistently throughout his career.

    It sucks, but it is what it is.
     
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  8. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He's just not as great as some people hoped he'd be.

    As I said, good player but he doesn't move us forward. Improves us in overall squad quality, not as a team.

    Probably wasn't the player we needed. We needed true goal scoring from the wing and got somebody who isn't that.
     
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  9. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Yes, he didn't determine his price. However he did determine he would show up to summer trainings badly out of shape amd this led to his first injury and starting the season slowly.

    We can blame him for taking months to be able to do anything remotely positive.

    We can also blame him and Zidane for overloading him causing this third injury.

    The reality is as @4x4s called it in the summer; he just isn't as good as we made him out to be. I was one of those who mocked the idea of Hazard not being one of the best (although below Neymar) and I'm eating crow.

    Massive massive disappointment.
     
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  10. Saint Iker

    Saint Iker Ronaldo's Right Foot

    Dec 5, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Hindsight is a bitch because this entire transfer has now been a massive waste of time and money. Due to what has transpired, we should have waited until January and signed him for free which would have saved us 100ME (which is what a lot of people were calling for in general since I don't think anyone expected him to be this injury prone).
     
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  11. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    #1686 Drouchk, Feb 23, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2020
    Well said, Hazard has never been injury prone so no one could have seen this coming, I have to say his lack of professionalism after moving to the “ club of his dream “ however did surprise me, that was shameful on his part but it doesn’t much to do with the present injury considering that he’s suffered this same injury several years back.

    The talks about him not being as good as advertised though are so ridiculous to the point of not being worth responding to, how does one even judge considering the player hasn’t been fit all season? If he played the entire and didn’t deliver people would have a point but the guy has been out for 85-90% of the season.
     
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  12. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    The thing about Hazard is a year ago when he was playing in the shop window trying to get his move to Madrid he was tearing up the PL and EL and he hasn't replicated those performances.

    I think it was a fair assumption to make that once surrounded by superior talent like Benz, Kroos, etc., that his performances would raise another level (as happens with guys like Lucas, Morata, etc).

    I don't think anyone expected him to show up that out of shape and still not be fit or in form a month into the season. That not coming prepared is directly on him and its played a role in the teams slow start and hampered Zidane's ability to settle on a preferred lineup.
     
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  13. meringues

    meringues Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think you can make an argument for potentially assigning SOME (small part) of the blame for his injury and slow adaptation to his showing up overweight. But yes I agree that anger at the player is largely misdirected.

    This was bad business and somehow a forum of random RM fans knew it but our club leadership did not.

    100m.

    For one year.

    :rolleyes:

    That’s basically what it boils down to.
     
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  14. meringues

    meringues Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Agree wholeheartedly. I was a skeptic of the transfer but to my eye he was starting to look like a real game changer before the first injury.
     
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  15. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    There are players that look better because the players surrounding them are worse. Hazard isn't a bad player by any standard, but he hasn't been in the discussion as an absolute top player at any other point other than when he won the PFL player of the year (which is now years ago) and the World Cup (which is why tournament of a few weeks with tons of eventualities being a factor)

    He's a player like Ribery. One of the better players in Europe but if I had to chose my 11 he wouldn't be on it.
     
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  16. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    The difference in the Mbappe price between 2020 and 2021 could be 100 million. But the consequences of not getting him now can’t be quantified.

    The point is it’s not so simple to say why spend 100 million when you can just wait a year and not have to. After the season we had last year, we had to make a splash not only for the play on the field but to maintain the brand and status.
     
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  17. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    Most people get this fortunately, it’s part of the reason why the Bernabeu hasn’t turned on him yet as well as the press, we didn’t get to see enough for people to determine if he’s the player we think he is, only a few people here with an agenda before the signing was even announced are pouncing on that talking point.
     
  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    The team played the best football they played all season while he was injured. Undefeated run, plenty of difficult situations and matches solved.
     
  19. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He's out of the City and Barca matches, hard to receive the backlash when you don't suit up at all.
     
  20. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    His not suiting up didn’t stop you from coming to your pre determining conclusion though has it? Luckily as I said most people are more sensible than that, he should be lambasted for his unprofessionalism but any talks of “ oh he is not as good as I thought “ is simply laughable. He actually has to be fit and play before you can make that judgment in good faith.
     
  21. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    So far he looks like the player I have seen him be his entire career. Not bad, but doesn't push us to a different level.
     
  22. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    So you’re saying his lack of fitness wasn’t a major factor and this is how he’s always played? Lol Yea having this discussion with you is not worth it.
     
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  23. meringues

    meringues Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I mean I can counter that with "we would have played even better than we did!"
    The team went on its best run after he got hurt, yes, but he player himself was starting to look as advertised IMO.

    I agree with you that he's not a Neymar-level player and never has been, but I absolutely think he has the quality to be a difference maker and our clear best player, and he's been unlucky (and also somewhat at fault) this season.

    We were in the best negotiating position possible and had a lot of leverage (1 year left, and player clearly wanted to leave to play for us). We literally could have put ink to paper in six months. And yet paid out a club record fee? There's simply no excuse -- we let Chelsea use our desperation against us.

    I don't think the Mbappe situation is a good analogy (among other things we don't know if the player has a clear preference for us and we face huge competition), and there's a major difference in leverage between 2 years left vs 1 year.
     
  24. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    His lack of fitness was something his Chelsea team mates has made fun on in the past. The player himself admitted that he doesn't care about it when he isn't playing football.

    Other than that, it's not about fitness. It's the style of play.
     
  25. meringues

    meringues Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think he rightly deserves some blame in that the two are somewhat tied together.

    Overweight --> slower first step and less explosiveness --> less willing to take on defenders.

    If memory serves, he was starting to get more aggressive before he got hurt.
     

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