2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

Good point. It appeared to be a pass to 11, but it was headed toward the goal so I guess it technically is a "save" by the LOTG.

 

I agree in this case, but while they will be rare I don't think its hard at all to come up with non-saves by a GK. Two on one against the GK to the right side of the goal, and the pass is to the side away from the goal and GK gets a hand on it (though not a save, reaction time might argue for deflection rather than play in that context); long cross that is clearly not going toward the goal and GK goes up to punch away and punches it poorly. So I don't think those plays are unicorns, but they will certainly be rare, so referees should start from the expectation that GK handling (or other stops) are saves unless proven otherwise.

 

Soccer doesn't expect fouls to be called on GKs?

 

Wait--you can't be suggesting that an IFAB definition is unclear?!?

Absent clarification, we disagree slightly on what makes a save. I think the concept is about saving a shot, not about "saving" a ball from going to an opponent I think the close to the goal language is meant to say that we don't ask if it was a shot on frame--if it quacks like a shot (or other ball that might be on the frame), then it's a shot and therefore a save. I am absolutely going to err on the side of considering a GK play (with or without hands) a save. But as I read it, absent additional instruction that I have not see, I don't think a pass that cannot possibly itself can go into the goal can be considered a save. (Though as a former GK, I like your version better! Indeed, I wouldn't mind an interpretation or law change that said simply that a GK handling the ball is never a play within the meaning of Law 11.)

If I were the Laws czar, I would go back to the concept of possess and control, which I think more fairly draws the line for when OSP players should be relieved of OS restraints, but no one asked me.

 

Chaos (and refereeing highlights of Leverkusen - Porto, Slavko Vinčić (Pol van Boekel))

 

At 8:50 in the video, for the pen, in what world does the PORTO player think it's legal to grab your opponent around the waist... I mean come on.

 

OK, I have to preface this by saying that I haven't seen the clip (video has been removed) but based on the description alone, This doesn't really sound like it meets any of the definitions of "interfering with an opponent."

I think IFAB Circular 3, which provided additional clarifications and definitions related to the offside law makes it clear that unless the opponent has been prevented from playing or being able to play the ball by the offside-positioned player's actions, there is no offside offence.

In fact the incident under discussion sounds very close to an example that's given in Circular 3 as follows:

It also points out that even if a player attempts to play the ball and fails, then it's once again not an offence unless this action actually prevents an opponent from playing (or being able to play) the ball. Once more, not having seen the video makes it a little difficult to judge but even if the player did step over the ball, that still doesn't necessarily make it an offence - not if an opponent's actual ability to play the ball was not affected.

 

Napoli - Barcelona: BRYCH (GER) [Dankert (GER)]
Chelsea - Bayern: TURPIN (FRA) [Letexier (FRA)]

Big test for Turpin.

 

Meanwhile in Spain, Sergio Ramos is annoyed with referee Hernandez Hernandez after the 0-1 defeat at the hands of Levante.

"I'm annoyed with Hernandez Hernandez.

"Referees were more respectful before and captains could speak to them.

"The arrogance is something that you have or you have.

"I asked [the referee] if he had any personal problem with me and, if he did, to tell me so we could work it out."

http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2020/02/23/5e51b646268e3eee1a8b4639.html

 

Incredible Fenerbahçe - Galatasaray game today for Halil Umut Meler (33yrs, UEFA 2nd) who is pushed to be "the next Çakır".

Fenerbahçe – Galatasaray
Halil Umut Meler (Abdulkadir Bitigen)

18’ Penalty (tripping) to Fenerbahçe given; no sanction
34’ Penalty (holding) to Galatasaray?
35’ Careless, Reckless or Violent Conduct (kicking), GAL no.36? No sanction
46’ Careless, Reckless [Second YC] or Violent Conduct (striking), GAL no.9? No sanction
64’ Penalty (holding) to Fenerbahçe?
65’ Fenerbahçe Coach ejected (entering FoP)
68’ Reckless vs. Serious Foul Play, GAL no.15? Yellow Card given
76’ Penalty (tripping) to Galatasaray; no sanction
82’ Red Card (punching?) to FEN no.23; Second Yellow Card (striking) GAL no.10; further sanctions needed?; management of substitution(s) vis-à-vis disciplinary sanctions; management of huge confrontation inc. technical staff
+100’ Penalty (charging) to Fenerbahçe?

 

there were 13 yellows and 3 reds according to a post I saw.

 

Like "we go to the back street and fist it out"?

 

The VAR intervened twice in the Feyenoord - Fortuna Sittard match and convinced the ref both times to award penalties (luckily to both teams). Nobody in his right mind would consider those penalties (my opinion, but also of both coaches)

 

Lyon - Juventus: GIL MANZANO (ESP) [Martinez Munuera (ESP)]

Real Madrid - Man City: ORSATO (ITA) [Irrati (ITA)]

Will Irrati haunt Man City again?

 

Sunday, March 1, 2020
Real Madrid vs Barcelona: Mateu Lahoz (VAR: González González)

 

Sounds like fun

 

Wow, it's like Oprah. "You get a card! You get a card! And you get a card!"

 

He could have gone on and carded the entire bench

I wonder how the refereeing team keeps the records in such cases.

 

All we talk about is VAR now and seemingly everyone else does as well, but I saw the highlights of Neymar's red card and what bad match management by a FIFA referee.

Players ultimately have to be responsible for their owns actions, but this red card could have been completely avoided.

The original foul on Neymar used to be always a 100% caution. Now blatant and cynical holds like that are not always depending on the time of the match.

Easy caution not given that could have slowed the game down and instead he allows the quick restart. One question why is PSG taking the quick restart? You are winning by 1 in added time. Take your time and kill the clock.

Neymar predictably loses the ball and loses his head and lashes out and gets sent off and then the referee doesn't do anything to combat the dissent by Marquinhos.

The 4th was the only one that showed any urgency in this situation.