NY Times: "Toxic Culture" in US Soccer

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  1. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
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    May 31, 2019
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    Yes, I read them back when the article came out.

    Those accounts sound exactly like what one would expect when they work for a sports enterprise where jobs are few and far between and people tend to work for less because of the benefit of having a sports franchise on your resume and in your experience. It helps you at the bar when you're single as well, ;D

    The complaints sound like those from people who have a bit of a disconnect between what a sports job is like and what its like to work at Apple.

    Anyone here know what the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders make and what their job is like?
     
  2. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    That settles it- bunch of womyn's soccer worshipping equalists there.
    Totally should be ignored and bring back my buddy Jay.
     
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  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Des Moines, IA
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    United States
    I think we found Jay Berhalter's Big Soccer burner account . . .
     
  4. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    yeah some truly punishing whataboutery
     
  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Apple pays well, but you work 80 hours per week. Or at least that's how it was 10 years ago.
     
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  6. appwrangler

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    Dec 18, 2018
    Definitely now as well. I know people who quit to be able to spend some time with their families, and now are contracting back at Apple at almost the same rate but at less than 40 hours a week.
     
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  7. NietzscheIsDead

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    Yes, my buddy just did this.
     
  8. smokarz

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  9. truefan420

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  10. Pegasus

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    I think it would add perspective to compare what each coach made against other coaches they coached against. Was Ellis payed less than other coaches on the women's side? How did Klinsman's salary compare to others around 10-30 on the men's side. It is interesting to compare with each other but if Ellis is going to get payed what the men's French national team coach is making then I wonder if she'd have gotten hired in the first place or would a coach who had a better resume (yes on the men's national team or club side) have been hired? And a great question would be would a men's really good to great club coach do well with the best women's national team?
     
  11. truefan420

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    Those are great points and tbh I’m not interested in the women’s side and if she was paid equally to the men’s side. I’m more focused on 3Gs salary being so high for absolutely no reason. No one was clamoring to pay him that other than his brother. I mean COO who had no voice in the process. There no conflict of interest there.
     
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  12. Pegasus

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    That's a fair question. How much is Tata making for Mexico? If GB is making a lot more it supports your point. If GB is making the same or less then meh.
     
  13. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

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    United States
    Id argue if he’s making the same it’s a mistake. He hasn’t been as success as Tata in the MLS let alone the rest of the world. He also doesn’t come with a wealth of experience in the international game. And people wanted Tata. He had options. That drives up cost. Gregg didn’t have options. Other national teams weren’t knocking on the door. Clubs around the world weren’t knocking on the door. Maybe a lateral MLS move for money (no clue what they make). His salary comes off as a gross overpayment. I wish we had more info to contextualize it but they won’t be given the benefit of the doubt.
     
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  14. jond

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  15. Cliveworshipper

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    Dec 3, 2006
    With all due respect? LOL
     
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  16. Cliveworshipper

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    Dec 3, 2006

    Four year $8.8 million dollar contract, so $2.2 million per year. Considering their respective contributions, Tata is a bargain.
     
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  17. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    What did one expect after what Arena said about Jones?.....
     
  18. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I guess we know exactly how much respect Jones feels Arena is due.
     
  19. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    $2.2M for Tata with the USMNT would have been worth every penny and then some. Wasn't Klinsmann making something like $3M for putting his team on the field in a 3-5-2 against Mexico in November 2016 when the team had never practiced in that formation before?
     
  20. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    my (un-)favorite was putting never-played-there-before bedoya as a DM against Brazil.
     
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  21. truefan420

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    May 30, 2010
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    The last year of his contract paid him out 1.4 million so no he wasn’t. That was the last year of what would have been 8 years. Gregg in year 1 is over 1 million. Like JK or not he’d done significantly more in the coaching world prior to that second contract. Gregg got his brother to hook him up.
     
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  22. Cliveworshipper

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    Dec 3, 2006
    according to the form 990 tax filing, JK received $3,354,167 in the year ending March 31, 2018.
     
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  23. truefan420

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    United States
    pulled from the article posted above:

    Klinsmann earned $1.475 million, the final payout for the five-year contract he signed in December of 2013, even though he was fired in November of 2016.
     
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  24. RefIADad

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    Des Moines, IA
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    I’ll trust IRS documents over a newspaper article.
     
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