All-Time Chain Draft

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Perú FC, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I was almost sure he would go to Puskás and I've the feeling that he could still have gone to Santamaría later, but it is possible that he has an ace up his sleeve about his Uruguayan connections or a specific strategy that required Santamaría without risks, a top defender for a 3 men-line.

    By the way, I never imagined Ronaldo and Puskás as an attacking couple.
     
  2. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    yeah, best can play across lw/cam/rw

    Ronaldo can play lw/st/rw

    I think I’m going to try and have as fluid a team as possible
     
  3. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    Not sure why I went Beckenbauer after Matthaeus. Was in a hurry and forgot that the links are important in this game. :oops:
     
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  4. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    It was something I didn't want to comment, hehehe.

    But being the first rounds you have many very good exits.
     
  5. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Someone’s just chosen Bob Ross
     
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  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Probably, things changed a lot with the next picks. So, it could be risky tried to pass other drafter, by now.

    btw, I guess, the european drafters wll pick, when we (americans) are late at night.
     
  7. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    Arsenal FC
    @La-Máquina I had a way of getting to Garrincha after Der Kaiser, but to get out of Brazil and back into Europe would have required a pretty specific path that could easily be blocked so I didn't take the risk. Great pick up for you though! :thumbsup:
     
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  8. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I feel many of us have a similar feeling, it was a bit risky to walk through South America so early, but it can go very well (I considered Garrincha after Romário and join them to Maradona, but I think it would have engulfed me a lot (hehehe) and I have been envolved in some recent discussions about "Mané" that slow me down a bit by specific characteristics).

    What is difficult to predict is the idea of La-Máquina with Messi, Ronaldinho, Zico and Garrincha at the same time, although he could also have secured a first-class rotation for his forward/trequartista line.

    By the way, I also find very interesting the Uruguayan way what JJMM1 is transiting.
     
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  9. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    That's the most interesting one to me because I don't know anything about it. Can't be bothered to do the research to anticipate his moves lol. Whatever his strategy is, it won't affect me until he gets back to Europe.
     
  10. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I’m gutted, I wanted vieira and scirea:(
     
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  11. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Ps we should be a bit more patient with deadlines and allow people to post before everyone rushes in

    there is no rush
     
  12. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    @Perú FC May I ask what's the plan with the tournament? Is it the usual where we play a number of games in a tournament, and we must use all 18 throughout the tournament?
     
  13. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
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    Ouch, Carlos taken right before my pick, I need to replan.
     
  14. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    #64 Perú FC, Feb 24, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2020
    Maybe only if they can get ahead without problems and don't their subsequent availability. We continue to keep a good pace, in my opinion.

    I project a format that I have been polishing in other forums and with several participants here, but not in this forum or other English speakers.

    Basically, we will start with 2 groups of 6 teams with home and away matches (10 rounds) and, then, the knockout stage (perhaps semifinals and final).

    There will be no direct obligation to use your 18 players, but you will need a rotation that will depend on your strategy in the construction of your whole squad because in each match your opponent can ban you one player (and each player can only be banned once), so you will need to be prepared to cover any absence with a direct replacement or make a system change that requires other players anytime. Actually, it could be that during all the tournament you cannot use a base XI (if you point to a specific one).

    That format seems to make the strategy more fun in the tournament phase.
     
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  15. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
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    I feel like my shortlist got leaked or something. People just cock-blocking my path all over :ROFLMAO:

    I'm going to have to take less than ideal players and routes soon.:mad:
     
  16. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Who were u after? I’m not expecting any players just reacting to what’s available

    pretty happy so fAr and added some creativity
     
  17. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Rough layout so far

    ..........greaves
    Ronaldo..........best
    .........falcao
    ......Moore...........Cafu

    good luck stopping that lot scoring
     
  18. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I wanted Vieira to get me into Italy. He has access to both Milan teams.

    I don't look too far ahead as there are like 20 picks between each my picks, so there's no point.

    What I try to avoid is getting stuck in a path that doesn't provide a lot of options going forward.
     
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  19. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    We went about things differently. You invested heavily into your flanks, while I focus on the spine of my team first.
     
  20. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
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    Arsenal FC
    My shortlist is getting absolutely decimated :ROFLMAO:
     
  21. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I wanted bergkamp

    damn you @PDG1978
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    The best thing when we were team-mates in a Sheep Draft was when we wanted the same players (unless others tried to draft them too).

    In this draft it is not so good to want the same players, because we will block the pick the other wants to make (or one he was thinking of a few rounds later potentially)!
     
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  23. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    Arsenal FC
    Oh man, Vieira, Redondo, and Cole all gone :mad:
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You could have picked them with your first 3 picks of the draft (I'm not saying you should have done)!

    Redondo and Vieira with AC Milan link, and then Cole with an Arsenal one.

    I did realise Vieira could be at risk of being picked if I didn't take him before the drafting went down to the bottom of the order for two picks again to be honest.

    I did consider a pick recently for when there are only a few picks between two of mine that would have seen Nesta nabbed by La-Maquina after I'd made my pick intending to come back for him shortly though! I can't say who it is yet, but I decided I preferred to go with Bergkamp and a different route anyway.
     
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  25. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
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    FC Nantes
    #75 wm442433, Feb 25, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2020
    Believe me : Blanc is better in 1996-2000.
    His club career was chaotical in 1992-1996 from Naples to Saint-Etienne passing by Nîmes. He was injured in '95 too. Then he comes back with Auxerre by the end of the year '95/ start of the year '96, wins back the spot that was more or less waiting for him in the French team (ideally) and wins the French Double with Auxerre... 2 little "miracles", moreso at 31 years... then participate to Euro England and the rest is History.
    He got better defensively with age too I think : because of having better teammates/ other good or great defenders around him/ playing in better teams + individually too... his tackling abilities became better and his timing/ positioning in general. Before that he still was more of a former number 10.
    His stint at Naples was perhaps not that bad but at Saint-Etienne, not talking about Nîmes, although he could deliver great performances from time to time, it could also be a nightmare collectively and individually (in that order or on the other).

    There's still the problem of that one season at Barça with a coach that did not want him (Cruijff had him in his plans and quitted the same day or something like that, when Blanc signed with the Blaugranas) but at Marseille he was great. Marseille that did not want to hire him finally after his season at Nîmes thus became European Champion... without him, so to speak. As I can read now on Wiki. Of course, Saint-Etienne was not a great destination at this time. After Naples where he did not imposed himself, he quickly came back to France and Nîmes because it is his region and because he could work with Mézy again (Nîmes as a player then Montpellier in the end, Montpellier as a coach in the 80s and 90s and Nîmes in that '92 year... before to be quickly fired... wich did not avoid the relegation/ 20th and last... Montpellier-Nîmes is a derby btw).
    The relegation with Nîmes is not my ultimate argument but it adds a little to my point and doesn't help against his 1996-2000 period. When, a last time, I think he was better : more experienced (after the '94 World Cup fiasco too), played in more solid environements/ teams, better defender, cooler defender I think but in the good sense of the term now, titles winner (he build his palmarès at this moment).

    I think he always had the inner attributes of a natural leader but in the facts it did not always match completely until the second half of the 90s. Perhaps he became a bit more vocal at this moment too. At Auxerre he was above the rest of the squad in terms of career and could even talk with the coach and administrator as equals in quite a neutral environement when at Sainté he was in a former great institution that maybe did not want to confer him too much power wheras the club had now since some years much problems and was just back in the elite at the same time... at Naples, apparently, there was a misunderstanding about what was the role of libero (offensive like Blanc especially at this time or "covering-type") + certainly some things in the background that we can't know.. + a difference of mentality... Blanc is a proud person but "introvert" enough, so to speak. He became "Le Président" at Marseille and it gradually applied to him as a NT player until/during the World Cup and remained after. Thus, the guy doesn't need to speak much or do everything himself but impose a natural authority.
    In the early to mid-90s, if he was already considered as one of the best elements and seen as a leader (wich was not wrong), it did not match completely, especially as for his club career (while unbeaten in the Euro '92 qualifiers in NT). He did not have that much of control over events as later (when he decides to quit Marseille to finish with Inter then Man U for example).
    As a coach, he had the environement that matched with his personnality at Bordeaux too (champion) then at PSG was in a context that is something near of the big foreign clubs where he had ended his playing career after his international titles (or a club that wants to be it at least).
    He launched perfectly his coaching career in the cosy and quite tranquilous FC Girondins de Bordeaux like he had been re-launched as a player at the tranquilous, country man's club Auxerre (yeah different, but both quite tranquilous).

    It's worked out quite of well for him but at one point in time (in '93-95) it could have been quite like the end. Not saying that it all has to do with luck at all though, it is certainly the result of some work and is deserved. And obviously it was one of the best thing to happen to the NT. Having him operational at such a great level in '96 was what could happen the best and it was fantastic. Being on the same theme 2 years later... great, perfect. At 32, 33 years. But before that, in spite of all his talent and individual honours, factually, he was not a confirmed champion.
    It would be a bit like having Di Stéfano of River+Bogota vs Di Stéfano of Real as I see it.

    My view and opinion on it, just a suggestion.
     
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