Trump Presidency Tweets 3 - The Old Man and the Seethe

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    The bottom two are completely unsurprising. Yang supporters would have been there too.
     
  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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    Is like to understand more about this formal targeting process
     
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  3. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Since there is no massive tariff money coming into the US, take a guess where he is going to take money from to fund this.

    My guess is food stamps since it is all Department of Agriculture money anyway.
     
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  4. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    It was a joke about what I assumed was his misuse of formally instead of formerly.

    Of course I had to dick it up by typing Is instead of I’d. But then again I’m not POTUS.
     
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  5. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Too bad his limited command of English doesn't prevent him from doing wrong and probably illegal shit.
     
  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

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  7. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    He is looking for the next Leni Riefenstahl to direct a documentary about his reign.
     
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  8. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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  9. Dr. Wankler

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    James O'Keefe, obviously.
     
  10. Kazuma

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    Jul 30, 2007
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    An interesting opinion column on why the youth back Bernie and/or his policies. From the Wall Street Journal, too.

    This part in particular, stands out:

    There’s a scene in Mad Men where one of the characters sees that Kennedy winning is very likely. But because he’s young, he’s not taken seriously by the older guys.


     
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  11. Dr. Wankler

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    Agree with the tag on the tweet, but I have to add: I knew those under 25 Reagan voters back in the day, being under 25 for both his elections. They didn't know history, either.
     
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  12. Kazuma

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    That’s always a thing, but at one point people get frustrated that they don’t care about history. There was another article I read about the Watergate babies who ousted one particular congressman by the name of Wright Patman. He was a Dem who was a byproduct of the Depression. He was ousted by Dems who didn’t experience that.

    Worth reading.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
     
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  13. superdave

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  14. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Damn good article.



    The campaign to oust Patman was brief and savage. Michigan’s Bob Carr, a member of the 1975 class, told me the main charge against Patman was that he was an incompetent chairman (a charge with which the nonprofit Common Cause agreed). One of the revolt’s leaders, Edward Pattison, actually felt warmly toward Patman and his legendary populist career. But, “there was just a feeling that he had lost control of his committee.”

    Not all on the left were swayed. Barbara Jordan, the renowned representative from Texas, spoke eloquently in Patman’s defense. Ralph Nader raged at the betrayal of a warrior against corporate power. And California’s Henry Waxman, one of the few populist Watergate Babies, broke with his class, puzzled by all the liberals who opposed Patman’s chairmanship. Still, Patman was crushed. Of the three chairmen who fell, Patman lost by the biggest margin. A week later, the bank-friendly members of the committee completed their takeover. Leonor Sullivan—a Missouri populist, the only woman on the Banking Committee, and the author of the Fair Credit Reporting Act—was removed from her position as the subcommittee chair in revenge for her support of Patman. “A revolution has occurred,” noted TheWashington Post.

    Indeed, a revolution had occurred. But the contours of that revolution would not be clear for decades. In 1974, young liberals did not perceive financial power as a threat, having grown up in a world where banks and big business were largely kept under control. It was the government—through Vietnam, Nixon, and executive power—that organized the political spectrum. By 1975, liberalism meant, as Carr put it, “where you were on issues like civil rights and the war in Vietnam.” With the exception of a few new members, like Miller and Waxman, suspicion of finance as a part of liberalism had vanished.​


    So I hope history doesn't repeat itself. But I won't be surprised if college educated activists go into swing states and start lecturing on pronouns and gender fluidity.
     
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  15. Kazuma

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    As someone who knows a couple people who have preferred pronouns, it's somewhat overstated. They're more vocal online than in real life. Most are just chill and will be friendly about it, not militant. One of them is a cl

    If anything, I think more people are concerned about their economic prospects. I look back at the town halls Republicans had, and the blowback was something. Especially about the ACA. There's a rep named Katie Porter who grilled Chase CEO Jamie Dimon about his wage and a teller's wage. Dimon failed to answer the question and looked like a clueless student. Then of course there's the Boeing CEO who's getting a generous compensation package despite a few hundred people dying.People see that while they get a minute raise and they eventually start getting frustrated.

    That said, the reason I'm so skeptical of the common narratives being touted about Bernie. It's that people seem to forget that things change. They always do. And that article sums up part of the reasons. Prior to the 2018 midterms, I heard similar commentary about the Dems going too far left, Trump's party was going to hold seats, young don't vote, and so on. And then the Dems overtake the house, young people turn out in record numbers, and two loud and proud socialists are members of Congress. That sort of thing was unimaginable in 2010.

    On a related note, I feel like the poem Ozymandias should be taught more. Both versions, although I'm more partial to Shelley's. Along with On The Vanity of Earthly Greatness.
     
  16. Kazuma

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    Jul 30, 2007
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    Well, none of the Dem candidates insulted a POW or a Gold Star family. I mean, the GOP could have easily disavowed him but hey, own the libs!

    Ps. Conservatives thought giving the polio vaccine for free was socialism. And the interstate highway system was called socialism, too.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    If yoot turnout was high I'd accept that they should lead the way. But we know a Marvel movie will be released on election day and turnout wont be great. So itll be up to our Boomers to f#ck this up again. :thumbsup:
     
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  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Movies always come out on Fridays. Elections are on Tuesday.

    1230920937329037314 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  19. usscouse

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    Works for him. Ask Bill the bagman Barr.
     
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  20. Chicago76

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    I was looking at some voting age splits a couple weeks ago. The age cohorts are a bit fuzzy, but you can cross match 30-39 vote with the 30-44 vote to estimate the 40-44 vote, etc.

    The 2000 election was interesting in that it was the last one without a massive generational divide. All age groups were more or less +/- 2pts from an even split. Since then we’ve seen a continued trend of war debt, tax cuts, and a reduction of the safety net...except when it comes to things like social security. Groups of a certain “vintage”, have done well as have the children of those older folks, provided their parents had the resources to keep them on the rosy side of the fence.

    What is interesting about those splits: all groups born c1974 or later have never voted for a GOP POTUS candidate since 2000. That’s hardly surprising for 18-29s, but consider someone born in 74 around that inflection point 29-30 in 2004. 33-34 in 2008. 37-38 in 2012. 41-42 in 2016. 45-46 in 2020. It is entirely possible this age group spends the entirety of their 30s and 40s voting for a Dem POTUS candidate.

    That’s incredible to me. And it also highlights that this isn’t really a Millennial/Gen Z trend, but something that has roots earlier than that in the last half of Gen X.
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  22. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Totally agree: People for whom gender fluidity and pronouns are actual issues are not the problem. It's virtue-signaling college and recent college activists that veer away from concrete issues toward things that make little sense to anyone who's never sat around a seminar table with books in their hands. And I totally agree that for now it's more online than out. I hope it stays that way. I don't think we need a Democrat going full Corbyn on this one:

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  23. Dr. Wankler

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    Bigsoccer ate my main point about that article in my follow up: that transformation the author discusses is also the roots of the student debt crisis: starting with the Reagan administration, loans replaced grants as the principle means of paying for college. It also explains why neither Clinton nor Obama made any significant effort to get the financial sector out of higher ed.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    I recall something similar from the recent UK election actually.

    The conventional wisdom is the working man abandoned labour, but when you adjust for age, actually young working families stayed with labour. Its more when you get above 50 and especially 60 that it swings hard right. And thanks to generational tilts like home ownership, those cohorts are actually wealthier than average.
     
  25. dapip

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