The Impeachment Pool

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On what day (of the month of which year) does the U.S. House of Representatives vote - on the floor

  1. On or Before January 20, 2018

    8.7%
  2. On or Before January 20, 2019

    23.9%
  3. On or Before January 20, 2020

    10.9%
  4. On or Before January 20, 2021

    7.6%
  5. None of the Above - Donald Trump finishes out one or two terms of office

    48.9%
  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Trump has shown that confirming someone is not necessary to fill a position. Just appoint an interim and dare the Senate to do something about it.
     
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  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Probably should go in the Mueller thread...but Stone gets 40 months.

    for at least the next few hours before the pardon is signed
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Quote from Susan H at lawfare

    Basically this is another step in King Potus governing without Congress.

    i.e. despot

     
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  4. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
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  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
  6. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    That article sounds like they didn't overrule the lower court, they just declined to enforce its ruling? Presumably on the theory that the House is supposed to have its own resources for that?

    If they didn't hear the case, the lower court ruling stands, doesn't it?
     
  7. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    After reading a bit more....as I understand it....this is a repudiation of Senate Republican’s position that courts should decide whether the executive branch refusing subpoena’s is even an issue to be decided by the court (the argument they made regarding obstruction was to wait for the courts to rule witnesses had to testify). The court is basically saying “******** you...don’t bring us into this shit...if you decide it’s obstruction impeach.” So in essence...Republicans have in essence neutered congress.
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    So have the courts, tho.. They've basically made it so that the Legislative branch can't investigate the Executive branch as long as the Executive branch has 34 Senators willing to support them.
     
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  9. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    See....I was trying to look on the bright side and you had to ******** it all up.

    can the house appeal?
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Yes, but TBH, it is unlikely to be successful given the composition of the SC.
     
  11. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    However the capitol police or the bailiff can go get the guy and haul him in, can't he/they? And IIRC there's a cell in the basement...
     
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  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Yeah, that's the remedy. I am not a constitutional lawyer, so I am not judging the rightness or wrongness of the decision. The practical impact is horrific.

    If you have a lawless president (check) there are now two options for Congress. Either enable the lawlessness, or massively escalate by locking up people like McGahn.
     
  13. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    So I guess the next question is ...does an executive branch employee locked up by Congress have the right to challenge their incarceration in court?
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Not unless the conservative justices change their minds. :devilish:
     
  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    So... Too soon to start up another impeachment investigation and trial?

     
  16. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
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    I haven't read the opinion in full yet, but the short answer is no. It looks like the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals decided that the courts shouldn't address this issue based on the "political question" doctrine.
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    McConnell is saying it now.

    The mainstream GOP position is that our poor Covid 19 response is due to impeachment.

    I wonder how well that will sell.
     
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  18. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    That requires trump to admit that our response has been poor.

    I don’t think Mitch has thought this through
     
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  19. stanger

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    Nov 29, 2008
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    According to who/what? I haven't seen that anywhere.
     
  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
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  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
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  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Well.. They aren't wrong.. If Trump had been removed from office, Pence likely wouldn't have made the response all about him. ;)
     
  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    Reading that article, he isn't wrong, the entire government was completely engulfed in the impeachment proceedings. I can see using that as a scapegoat excuse to Trump's supporters.

    Problem is, with the elimination of the people that actually would have been dealing with the response years back, the ability to have a department working independent of the impeachment proceedings was reduced.

    If you want to attack the impeachment as an excuse, that is the angle I would take, in addition to continuously playing Trump's initial claims of covid-19 being "no big deal".
     
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  24. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

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    Definitely. It is hard to say that you could not respond quickly to an emergency because you were distracted when you (and I mean the global you for the GOP) were saying that the situation was a big nothing-burger to begin with. Step 1 of a proper response is believing that a proper response is necessary.
     
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  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yep. This wasn't a Congressional matter. We don't want Mitch and company devising coronavirus solutions. This task was for the appropriate federal authorities. But Trump de-professionalized them.

    The analogy with Katrina is fair, although W didn't gut federal professionalism anywhere near as much as Trump has done, with his rogue's gallery of Cabinet hacks.
     
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