The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Oct 11, 2016.

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  1. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I don't know. I don't think the talent at Werder Bremen is THAT bad compared to the other teams in the relegation fight. Paderborn, Dusseldorf, Mainz, Cologne...these are all very bad teams as well, and players like Rashica, Bittencourt, and Eggestein have shown some quality in the past. So, I feel like Werder should be out of the relegation spots on talent. The fact that they aren't points to poor coaching. I know the commentators during the game were saying that Werder management is behind Kohfeldt and think he's a good young coach, but if they don't want to be relegated, they need to make a change.
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Actually, they were expected to lose against Leipzig away, Cowfield or not. 3-0 in this one is within the expected for their roster.

    Losing to Union at home and getting punked by Mainz (again at home) are fireable offenses, though.
     
  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Like hunters mount a moose's head on the walls . . . :confused:
     
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  4. DMTerp02

    DMTerp02 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Annapolis, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he'd be toast if they didn't beat BVB in the Pokal a few weeks back.

    I don't know what's going on there but even though they miss a guy like Kruse, who can dictate play from the midfield, guys like Klaassen and Maxi Eggestein can do the job well enough. Rashica and Bittencourt and legit attackers. There's plenty of talent there and clearly something is just not working in the locker room anymore and they need to make a move before it's too late.

    Sometimes players just get tired of the same words from the same guy after a while.
     
  5. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WB are just horrible.

    Just remove JS from the team for a moment and they are just poor and deserve to drop. Poor quality all over.

    Now throw a young player in there who needs to develop and the prospect is bleak.

    Josh needs to get out of there and go to RB Salzburg or Dortmund or Ajax - anywhere with a rep for developing young players.
     
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  6. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meanwhile Jordan Morris turned down WB and has improved every year playing in MLS. The question has to be asked, do you think Sargent would've been better off starting his career at Sporting KC instead of Bremen?
     
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  7. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Sargent and most of the team playing like a bunch of depressed 35yr olds.

    When Hamburg went down with Bobby at least they made an attempt at not going down.
     
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  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I disagree with the premise because Morris was good in 2016, ********ing terrible in 2017, and injured for all of 2018. Great 2019 for him though.

    There's no grand, overarching theory about what path is most effective; it's all very player-dependent.

    Kansas City hasn't exactly been a striker's paradise though, so I'd still say that Bremen was the better option at age 18. Sargent's development would have been better had he been in USL at 16 though, rather than dicking around at Scott Gallagher.
     
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  9. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can disagree with the premise, but the fact remains Jordan has improved immensely during his time in MLS. Of course it's down to the player, but the club situation is crucial.

    So the question remains, would Josh have been better off starting his career in KC? I'd say yes and I'll get into why in a bit. I'm interested to hear some other responses first.
     
  10. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    But he hasn't improved "every year playing in MLS." He had a breakout season in 2019 but his career was going hard in reverse for two full seasons. Is he better now than in 2016? Yes. Was it steady improvement? Really far from it.

    Morris is a testament to individual hard work, but I don't think he's a great test case for MLS developing a player well.
     
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  11. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah none of that is remotely true. Injuries really affected him in 2017 and of course he was out all of 2018.

    In reality he can shoot with both feet now and developed from a center forward to an attacking winger that's goal dangerous from either flank. That happened in MLS. I watch him every game. I've seen the growth. TBH he's ready to move on to a top 4 league.
     
  12. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't understand why Kohfeldt hasn't been fired a few weeks ago...
     
  13. hype25

    hype25 Member

    Jul 17, 2016
    Just curious, how many/which Americans from MLS have transferred to Europe 24 years or older in the last 5 years?
     
  14. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems a reach for those clubs. A year in 2. BL might not be the worst thing for him.
     
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  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Bremen continue to refuse playing Osako and Sarge at the same time.
     
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  16. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    That's not just SKC. BVB and Ajax were options for Sargent AFAIR, as plenty of other clubs.
     
  18. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Actually he turns 20 on February 20
     
  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    So... he's 19?


    Anyone have a handy list of # minutes a US player has gotten in the B1 before their 20th Bday? (or, let's say, before the end of the season finishing they year they turn 20...)
     
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  20. Football Master

    May 13, 2010
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    The simple answer is they know no better.

    They pride themselves in being a “family club”. A club that trust its own, loyal and give their former players all the jobs. This is imo, is hindering them. They make emotional decisions too often.

    Their president is ex-player. Their sporting director is ex-player. Their last 3 head coaches were promoted from within. Rehhagel was their coach from 1981 to 1995. Thomas Schaaf played all his career at Bremen, retired and trained the reserves for 4 years and then coached the first team from 1999 to 2013. In the last 40 years, they had only 3 coaches who were not promoted from either assistant or second team.

    This is all what Bremen knows. They don’t seek help from outside. They run the club like a family business.

    I genuinely believe they are clueless right now. Their sporting director said last week that if they’re to get relegated then better together with Kohfeldt.

    Still many fans are behind Kohfeldt and will rather him stay even in relegation. They really know no better. It’s incredible.
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Enjoy your last week.
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Actually... I will!
     
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  23. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    They have outside speed in Bittencourt and Rashica, (especially with Selassie back from injury at rb), central playmaking with Osako, an ok 9 in Sargent. Problem is they never play Sargent with Osako so Osako has no 9 and Sarge has no 10. I believe the only time they have ever played together iirc was v. Dortmund in Cup.
     
  24. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Whatever the £70 million, I disagree with people who think Pulisic is already better than peak Johnson. You need some consistency before claiming that. He may grow into a better player, or at least a more consistent one, but right now I remember more games where he disappeared than games where he's looked ace.
     
  25. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    the top scorer has how many goals?
     

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