The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    Shit. I think this is the second time I've agreed with you in 2 days. I'm normally suspicious when I suddenly start to agree with someone. Are you making a pass at me? :p ;)
     
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  2. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    Errr, no, but for future reference, what is your gender?

    :D
     
  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The taunting, bullying, racism are xenophobia are just added perks!!!
     
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  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Speaking of which....


    . . . welcome.
     
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  5. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Looks like if the DNC wants to stop Sanders, Warren is their girl.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    1228332443385704454 is not a valid tweet id


    Bloomberg is socially liberal*, fiscally conservative. This quadrant should be named the Empty Quadrant, or the Pundit's Quadrant.

    *This usually doesn't just mean pro-choice and pro-marriage equality, it usually also means "not nostalgic for redlining and slave patrols." Whaddaya gonna do?
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    How do you know it is Sanders' supporters? How do you know it is NOT Russians/Chinese/Iranians doing the same thing the Russians did in 2016 - creating division in the Dem party. If you step back, it is the same thing.
     
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  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    The source for that chart.

    somethings from that study, this was published in June 2017.

    Part of their conclusion points to Sanders perhaps.

    https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond
     
  9. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Good question:

    1228349887319658496 is not a valid tweet id
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    It could be, Russian hackers probably want a Sanders - Trump race (with Gabbard as 3rd party)

    Chaos is what they want.


    Some Social media "Berniebros" May be Russian propaganda machine as superdave pointed out.
     
  11. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Again, that is national. And what should have been learned form 2016 is that national polls misrepresent.
     
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  12. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    I would assume a great number of them are Russains, et al. I would also gather than some of them are 4chan/8chan as well, and that likely means Russians.
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Yeah, like how they decide what was the center of the scatter plot, the chart looks to be very crowded on the left and very empty on the right.

    They say they got the data from here, but I don't think (I did not find) how they decided what is the "middle".


    https://www.voterstudygroup.org/data


    Edit: the only thing I saw is this

    What the hack is the "traditional position"?
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed.. The far left side of the chart is crammed with blue dots, but there are no dots on the far right of the chart.. That would seem to indicate that the "center" isn't where it should be?
     
  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    They do compare 2016 to 2012 later on, perhaps they centered the "center" at what ever the results were from the 2012 survey (I am just guessing).

    But that would indicate that the population has moved very left in economic matters and somewhat right on social issues since 2012.


    But perhaps I am just not understanding what the hell they are using as the center.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    Well.. Given the person posting the graphs, they do have a vested interest in showing a majority of the US to the left economically.
     
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  17. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Yeah, I get that that is why Yglesias would like this chart, but I do not know if he was part of the group that created the study.

    Here is a CATO with a video clip interview with some of the people that created the study, the interview is Trump voters focus

    https://www.cato.org/events/catoconnects-findings-democracy-fund-voter-study-group

    This is from the page of the group

    upload_2020-2-14_15-16-59.png
     
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  18. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Warren should be the leading candidate.

    She is the best of the lot.
     
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  19. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
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    Gibraltar
    Not gonna lie ... I'm tempted. $6000/month + benefits to work for Bloomberg in Maryland. https://boards.greenhouse.io/mikebl...OuALnzeATu3s2GnU_U4L7kQpvY8DoQoKXDmLm1-0h1xGU

    Of course I wouldn't intend to help him. The way his campaign throws money around, I wouldn't be surprised if they never notice me underperforming.

    I hung out with some Steyer staffers in NH, and they were not planning to vote Steyer and looked like they were doing the minimum. And that's the likable billionaire
     
  20. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    She's the best on substance, but she's one of the worst with political instincts.

    The petty fights she picked with Pete and Bernie cost her. Made her look like a typical politician who wants to score points with scandals instead of staying laser focused on the issues, which is her strength. Also her constant embellishment of her biography. And finally her biggest weakness is that her voter base has become the stronghold of the wokest Dems and that's a recipe for disaster in November.
     
  21. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    I think he’s a real person who is completely serious. I also happen to think that he made a typo when registering his user name. That second 9 was supposed to be a 3. At least that’s how his posts read.
     
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  22. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians are in it, but unfortunately I know some of them personally and they are real people who genuinely care, but who in their naivety have become fanatical.

    A leader who defines the world in “us vs them” terms is dangerous, regardless of how repulsive or seductive their ideology may look to us.
     
  23. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    It’s not the person, it’s the base support within one party vs the other and where it is located. If a Dem POTUS tries to consolidate power, he/she better find away to thoroughly rig elections. Because they’ll get completely crushed in midterms and lose the Senate and House. If a Republican were to do the same, they still stand a chance of keeping the Senate and not losing the House by as much. That + a conservative SC can still keep the executive power grab moving.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BTW here is the same group with a 2019 update.

    This is what they say about the bottom left quadrant.

    And why this is probably over represented in Big soccer ;)

    So basically people running for office, and the people in the news we see are white college educates (highly) that like immigration and are economically conservative.

    But the bulk of America is not that.

    upload_2020-2-14_16-8-1.png

    This part does seem backwards to me, I would have imagined it would have been the other way around.

    That to me reads as in against to Democrats in 2018 were from people that do not like Immigration but are more liberal on economics, while people that were put off by Trumps immigration talk but may have liked the tax cuts came back to the GOP.

    https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/opposing-forces
     
  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Germans believe in Magic Presidents with economic fairy dust that they use while dropping three-hamburger loads into gold toilets, while grunting loudly?

    Yeah I know not really, you are just trolling.
     
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