2019 CONCACAF League and 2020 Champions League

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  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Certainly not on such short notice - maybe some QFs end up on FS1.
     
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  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or a R16 game!

    MLSSoccer is showing (and my Xfinity guide as well) that the return leg of Atlanta/Motagua will be on FS1.
     
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  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    #203 newtex, Feb 12, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2020
    Updated with TV info for the first week:

    2020 CONCACAF Champions League
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET

    First Leg
    Tuesday, February 18
    Portmore United (JAM) v. Cruz Azul (MEX) 8:00 pm FS2/TUDN
    FC Motagua (HON) v. Atlanta United (USA) 10:00 pm FS+/TUDNx
    Club Leon (MEX) v. Los Angeles FC (USA) 10:00 pm FS2/TUDN

    Wednesday, February 19
    D. Saprissa (CRC) v. Montreal Impact (CAN) 8:00 pm FS2/TUDNx
    Alianza FC (SLV) v. Tigres UANL (MEX) 8:00 pm FS+/TUDN
    Comunicaciones (GUA) v. Club America (MEX) 10:00 pm FS2/TUDN

    Thursday, February 20

    AD San Carlos (CRC) v. New York City FC (USA) 8:00 pm FS2/TUDN
    CD Olimpia (HON) v. Seattle Sounders (USA) 10:00 pm FS2/TUDN

    Second Leg
    Tuesday, February 25
    Atlanta United (USA) v. FC Motagua (HON) 8:00 pm
    Cruz Azul (MEX) v. Portmore United (JAM) 10:00 pm

    Wednesday, February 26
    New York City FC (USA) v. AD San Carlos (CRC) 6:00 pm
    Montreal Impact (CAN) v. D. Saprissa (CRC) 8:00 pm
    Tigres UANL (MEX) v. Alianza FC (SLV) 8:00 pm
    Club America (MEX) v. Comunicaciones (GUA) 10:00 pm

    Thursday, February 27
    Seattle Sounders (USA) v. CD Olimpia (HON) 10:00 pm
    Los Angeles FC (USA) v. Club Leon (MEX) 10:00 pm

    The Quarterfinals start on March 10.
     
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  4. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    FS1 airs nothing midweek.
     
  5. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It has college basketball doubleheaders on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
     
  6. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    Once upon a time Liga Mx could throw out subs and easily win. But whatever gap that existed was already rather small last year. Even with MLS clubs in pre-season I think the overall goal differential favored MLS clubs last year. 4th Liga Mx club - Leon was not in top 8 seeds this year. MLS has been changing dramatically and the perception of sheep lags behind reality.
     
  7. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Well you'd be wrong. Except for Toluca, all the rest of the Liga MX teams dominated even more so than in recent years.
     
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  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, the MLS goal difference vs. Liga MX was -12 in 2019. It was +3 in 2018.
     
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  9. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I think it was @AndyMead who called it after 2018. He said that with such a close call by Toronto that in 2019 Liga MX teams will take MLS teams more seriously and you'll see a reversion to dominant scorelines. Those numbers reflect that.
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which does indicate the gap is closing. Just having Liga MX teams taking the game seriously is a huge improvement over a decade+ ago when they'd go with subs and academy players and still beat MLS teams. I'm not sure the gap will close entirely in the near future, but MLS teams do seem to have a propensity for grabbing the top attackers in LigaMX now, so it seems more likely that the gap will continue to close and we aren't too far away from a periodic win by an MLS team.
     
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  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    And it was his Sporting Kansas City who, after surprising against Toluca, ended up conceding the worst ever aggregate scoreline against Liga MX (10:2). :D
     
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  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    From a historical perspective, this is the last chance for MLS to avoid a 20-year anniversary of "non-success" since the LA Galaxy won the 2000 Champions Cup. It is also the last opportunity to make some noise at the Club World Cup since starting in 2021, with an expanded 24-team tournament, all non-European clubs will be relegated to a sideshow/punching bag in the mold of the Washington Generals.

    There is also the motivation of breaking the longest consecutive winning streak any confederation has ever seen in its premier club competition. Even New Zealand tripped up once again last year:

    CONCACAF:
    14 – Mexico (ongoing)

    OFC:
    8 – New Zealand (end of streak 2018)

    UEFA:
    6 – England (end of streak 1982)

    CONMEBOL:
    4 – Argentina (end of streak 1970 and 1975); Brazil (end of streak 2013)

    AFC:
    3 – South Korea (end of streak 1998)

    CAF:
    3 – Cameroon (end of streak 1980)
     
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  13. Mateofelipe

    Mateofelipe Member+

    Mar 10, 2001
    Spokane, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there is hope for some closing of the gap this year, because MLS keeps hiring Liga MX players. If you can't beat em, join em.
     
  14. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Is there a law that says you can't?

    Liga MX hires South Americans all the time. Were they able to compete in Libertadores because of all those South American they hired?
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bit of an aggressive response to a flippant post.
     
  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Oh I am sorry.

    Then yes, MLS needs to hire all of Liga MX players. If you can't beat them just buy them.
     
  17. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    According to this LAFC have 800 traveling fans at León.
     
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  18. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Some historical data as we head into the tournament today:

    MLS teams have participated in 44 knockout ties v. non-MLS competition since the CCL reformatted in 2008. MLS teams have won 16 of those matchups.

    MLS advancement record v. opponent by country
    Mexico: 6-25
    Costa Rica: 4-1
    Panama: 2-2
    CFU: 1-0
    El Salvador: 1-0
    Guatemala: 1-0
    Honduras: 1-0

    MLS advancement record based on home result
    Loss: 0-8
    Draw: 1-11
    Win by 1: 2-9
    Win by 2+: 13-0

    Montreal advanced with a home draw v. Pachuca in 2014-15, Toronto advanced with a 1-goal home win v. Tigres in 2018, and Houston advanced with a 1-goal home win v. Guastatoya in 2019.

    I've got a spreadsheet with all of these knockout matches laid out, so holler if you have any info you'd like to know.
     
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  19. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just to be clear, that doesn't include the old prelims, right?
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Correct, R16 or later only.
     
  21. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Other info:

    MLS advancement record based on away result
    Loss by 3+: 0-11
    Loss by 2: 2-7
    Loss by 1: 6-6
    Draw: 4-3
    Win: 4-1

    MLS advancement record based on 1st-leg result
    Loss by 3+: 0-4
    Loss by 2: 1-5
    Loss by 1: 3-5
    Draw: 3-8
    Win by 1: 2-6
    Win by 2: 5-0
    Win by 3+: 2-0
     
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  22. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Move Portmore United.
     
  23. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    They did.

    This is the national stadium in Kingston, about 35 minutes away from their home ground. Which, I just learned, is called the Prison Oval because it's on the grounds of a maximum-security prison, which allows some inmates to watch matches from their cells.

    I desperately wish this game was there. :ROFLMAO:

    Edit: looks like this

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  24. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I see the Liga MX- Jamaica gap is closing.
     
  25. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    LAFC line up pretty interesting. Vela forced into central striker role (if he stays there) is generally a win for the opposition.

    Jankovich to fill Zimmeraman's spot ?

    Atuesta with no previously disclosed injury? Not in 18.

    No BWP yet.

    Big debut (isn't it?) for their new number 8.
     

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