2030 World Cup

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  1. Syrens

    Syrens New Member

    United States
    Oct 28, 2019
    St Louis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree on that one, plus when it's a major competition it's always geared to Euro time zone, so, it would be totally unsociable time's, similar to the Rugby World Cup right now if you're in the States like me.
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damnit, look what Bolivia did by opening the door to 5-nation bids (they're not officially in with CHUPAR, but have asked): now Ireland wants to join the UK bid :ROFLMAO:
     
  3. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
  4. jcsc

    jcsc Member

    Oct 16, 2008
    2030 is the centenarium of the first world cup:
    3 country's of South America with uruguay one of the 3
    or
    1 country of each confederation.
     
  5. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
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    Club Nacional de Football
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has to end in a Conmebol primary - no way either of these bids wins in the FIFA Congress without Conmebol wheeling and dealing on its behalf, and a fair shot through a primary process is the best way to minimize the other bidding nations feeling aggrieved.

    Then again, after all the bidding nations abstain, it would basically boil down to a panel of Brazil, Bolivia and Venezuela casting the deciding votes.
     
  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Whatever the case may be I think regional joint bid World Cups will be the new norm.
    No more single country bids ever again. Especially after FIFA takes a look at the record high tickets sales for the continental Euro coming up.
     
  8. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    Agree completely. More so, not only will UEFA be overdue, but by 2030 fans in mainland Europe* won't have had a World Cup since Germany 2006 - that's 24 years!

    I say the above because to me Russia 2018 didn't feel altogether like a European World Cup. Even the more westerly venues such as Kaliningrad, Saint Petersburg and Moscow are quite far from many of the prominent competing European nations and places like Kazan, Samara and Yekaterinburg are practically in Asia (regardless of any geography textbook definition of Europe).

    The impact of this is that by 2030 we'll have an entire generation of football fans from mainland Europe* who haven't had the opportunity to see a World Cup held entirely in their own continent. Fans in mainland Europe* are long overdue a World Cup in a location that can be flown to at a reasonable price, or even got to via rail or road should one really want to, and for this reason I would be only too pleased if the joint Spain / Portugal bid is successful. A lot of European people take their holidays in these countries and fans could even get value for money combining their summer holiday with taking in some World Cup action up close and personal.

    Spain / Portugal 2030 could be a truly wonderful tournament for a continent which has been starved a World Cup for far too long.

    * my use of "mainland Europe" in this context might have geography scholars spitting feathers. It is not meant to infuriate of offend anybody. By "mainland Europe, I mean Western Europe, Central Europe, Iberia and the Mediterranean.
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #284 HomietheClown, Feb 22, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2020
    To say Russia did not feel like a Euro World Cup may be valid but is still pretty much meaningless to me when pertaining to this bidding process.


    Uruguay-Arg-Par will feeel WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different than Brasil 2014 if they host. It will be like another planet since it will be very cold down there.

    Col-Ecu-Peru would be similar to Brasil 2014 in climate (in some areas) but still very different in cultures and language and altitudes/elevations etc.

    So that argument about Russia not counting as Europe pretty much does not hold any water to me.
    If they are part of UEFA they are part of Europe. End of story.
     
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  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Israel 2030 it is! :D
     
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  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    And Kazakhstan.
     
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  12. andregunts

    andregunts Member

    Real Madrid
    Jamaica
    Jun 13, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    #287 andregunts, Feb 24, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2020
    People, I just came from the future. These are all the World Cups coming up

    2030 - Argentina, Uruguay, Chile
    2034 - England, Wales, Scotland
    2038 - China
    2042 - Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia
    2046 - Spain, Portugal
    2050 - Jamaica
     
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  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Alright, we're jammin.
     
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  14. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2050 will be an all Carribbean affair as FIFA will expand the World Cup to all countries. Come 2054, the World Cup will be held on Jupiter and will be expanded to an intergalactic tournament. The Earth's World Champion will just be declared based on FIFA ranking to compete against teams from other planets and galaxies...
     
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  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Those darn Venusians will bribe FIFA to host though.
     
  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They'll try...but the Plutonians will use their natural resource money to win the bid even though they're too small, will need avant-garde technology to make their stadia playable, and rely on a brutal guest worker regime.
     
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  17. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
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    Club Nacional de Football
    Argentina's economy won't recover, on the countrary. I seriously doubt that our bid will succeed.
     
  18. Joe Martelo

    Joe Martelo Red Card

    CDC Montalegre
    Portugal
    Sep 30, 2019
    Portugal should host the world cup alone no need for Spain to be involved.
    Spain already hosted a world cup in 1982.

    we hosted EURO 2004 on our own just fine.

    the final would be in a rebuilt National Stadium in Lisbon (which needs rebuilding).
    other games in Estadio da Luz, Alvalade, Dragao, Bessa, Braga, all the typical venues.

    I would also suggest hosting games in Ponta Delgada (Azores) and Madeira.
     
  19. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    Look, I love Portugal, I take my holidays there and believe me you won't find a bigger advocate for Portugal-Spain 2030 than me (other than Portuguese and Spaniards). I'd actually prefer Portugal & Spain to host World Cup 2030 over my home country of the UK because I think you'd both be great hosts and give visitors an all round better "summer World Cup experience" than the UK.

    That said, Portugal hosting a World Cup alone isn't viable. Euro 2004 was a much smaller tournament than a 48 team World Cup. Portugal pulled off a very nice Euros with 8 stadiums, but 6 of them were (presumably still are) under the minimum stadium size of 40000. You would need 16 sufficiently large stadia to host the World Cup.

    I appreciate you might say stadiums can be expanded, which is true in itself, but in Portugal's case creates a very real risk of "white elephant" developments. I watch a fair bit of Primeira Liga action when I'm over there and whilst I love what I watch on the pitch, off the field the fact is only Benfica, Porto and Sporting have enough paying supporters to fill a World Cup size ground. For instance, the Estádio D. Afonso Henriques in Guimaraes would need a 10000 extension to be a World Cup venue but Vitoria's average attendance is only 16000. The Estadio Algarve is already something of a white elephant, built especially for Euro 2004 and since only used infrequently by lower division teams who in some cases only have attendances of a few hundred (Louletano), the odd lower category national team game and once very few seasons for the Super Taca. It would become even more of a white elephant having to be extended further to meet the minimum World Cup capacity requirements.

    I could give you other examples. I believe Portugal's best hopes of hosting the World Cup are to team with Spain.
     
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  20. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Totally agree with Real Mardin on this one. Would be great to see some WC matches in Portugal - maybe even the final itself in Lisbon. However, can't possibly see them doing this new format alone. Huge difference between 16-team Euro 2004 and this 48-team monstrosity the World Cup has become now.
     
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  21. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    #296 HomietheClown, Feb 27, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2020
    The Funny thing is Braga had to switch its Europa League date to yesterday because Porto was playing at the same time if they played today
    Their stadiums are like 45 minutes away from each other but the excuse was that the traffic would have been horrible.

    If Portugal can't even host two club matches in the same day could you imagine the congested schedule of an expanded World Cup????

    It is simply too small of a country to have such a burden.


    Also, Politically joint World Cup bids are the way of the future. Solo World Cup bids will go the way of the Dodo.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, I don't know about that. For instance, we (the US) could've hosted 2026 on our own, but decided to go with a joint bid to avoid losing votes out of spite against our country in particular.
     
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    You prove my point.

    There is more incentive to have a bunch of Countries get together politically.

    There is also incentive for Nations to do it monetarily.

    There is less incentive to bid on your own in comparison.
     
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  24. andregunts

    andregunts Member

    Real Madrid
    Jamaica
    Jun 13, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    The ONLY World Cup that could be done only in one country going forward is China. Thats it

    Going forward I'm damn near sure its all gonna be co-hosted.

    United 2026 opened up pandoras box with this and its no going back.
     
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  25. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    really good post, I too am personally hoping for Spain-Portugal in 2030, with one of the South American bids just behind that. I really hope it's not some sort of UK bid winning. I'm sure they'd put on a superior WC if just attending matches is considered, but it's just not as interesting place to visit for me, been there already too many times.
     

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