Cannon never turned down an offer. 1st offer was 1/2020. FCD seems to be in no hurry. You ask the club why they are in no hurry? Did Paxton and Jesus no negotiate back and forth and get the deal done? Or did they just sign the first offer? I think not. FCD seems to be dragging it on. Could Cannon have demanded a deal earlier? Probably...The question really is what should the club done if they really value the development of their youth the when he played his first USMNT game in 2018? Now.....the blame is on Cannon for not accepting the first formal offer from the club? I don’t think so. The club has got to show that they back up what they say they stand for. Cannon has never changed what his goals were or what he wanted. Cannon is not to blame for the lack of FCD’s roster spot issues. FCD and the league is to blame for their own mess. Cannon is not asking for sympathy. He just wants to squeeze through the prison bars of the club and league especially if you are a defender and his age. However, FCD has the right to sit on his current contract. If they lose a lot of young players because of it.....not Cannon’s fault. Think back a few years.....when Cannon came in the league...who was he observing? Acosta. Where did Acosta want to go? Some things leave a bad taste in your mouth. FCD has had plenty of time to figure it out. Young players should be observing and observing closely. Nobody needs to feel sorry for FCD.
And no one needs to feel sorry for Cannon. It's not either/or. MLS teams aren't going to tear up contracts early. The reason Pax and Ferreira got new deals is because their deals were winding down. With a hard cap teams aren't going to give everyone who deserves one a raise. See the NHL as an example. Players who were stars 4 seasons ago got bumper contracts that are vastly under paid now. Cannon's deal is beginning to wind down. FCD and Cannon are going to have to make a big decision soon. I honestly have no doubt Cannon gets sold. My only question is whether it's this summer or winter. Reggie has made his preference well known and good on him for knowing what he wants and making decisions to make that happen. But FCD isn't taking advantage of him. This is how things work in MLS. He's going to be released for Olympic Qualifying. He's going to continue to have National team opportunities and play for FCD to show why another team should want to buy him. Now it's up to his agent to bring an actual offer(s) to the table to force a move by FCD.
I don’t recall anyone saying FCD isn’t within their right to sit on the deal that was executed by both parties. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen multiple people say they are within their rights. I think the point here is, these are the types of things that will cause more and more young kids to not sign with MLS at all. While this is good news to some because it should make American kids better by moving abroad, it would be disastrous for the league and the clubs if more and more top American talent never put pen to paper with a MLS club.
Part of the issue at least how I understand it is that the first HGP deals don’t count under the cap, but the 2nd deals do count, so if a player is on a $100K HGP deal and starts to make an impact and the club signed them to a $200K deal because they are underpaid the $200K counts against the cap and only benefit is opening up a HGP spot and any messaging it sends to other prospects. In a salary cap league underpaid young players are worth their weight in gold and MLS HGP rule doubles down on it. Hunt’s could also pay Mahomes $40-50 Million a year to get him up to his value, but if the Chiefs just ripped up his contract after his MVP year in 2018 then chances are they don’t win SB in 2019 because they would have had to cut lots of really good players to suddenly fit $30-40 more million under the cap. In Europe if a club wants to give a player $100K more because they are playing well then the implications of the extra money go no further than the balance sheet.
It seems like on one hand we are talking about FCD signing too many young players. On the other, we are talking about them not being able to sign them. Appears there is more than one path for the players to pursue. That's how it should be.
It can't be that much of a transfer option as Arturo Rodriguez can't be under contract for that much longer.............................. These are the kinds of decisions that a club with a big academy like Boca Juniors has to routinely make. Which young players do you fast track to the first team? Which young players will still benefit from reserve team play? Which young players do you want to keep in the fold, but are sorta tweeners. Ready for first team play, so you loan them somewhere else. Boca currently has 30 players out on loan. If you're FCD where does Arturo Rodriguez fit into the assembly line? He's a good player. He's also older than Pax, Ferreira, Roberts, Servania, Cerrillo, etc. And of course he's older than his younger brother David Rodriguez, who will hopefully take a step forward with NTSC this year. And he's older than academy standouts like Tanner Tessman. So if the assembly line moves like it should, how does Arturo fit? If they sign him to a first team deal, when does he play? Do we want him to take Thomas Roberts' minutes? So the best thing to do is to give him an opportunity to play up a level at Real Monarchs. And if he plays great, then FCD gets a transfer fee.
Prison bars.......................please. A bit overly dramatic. We know who you are. Why on Earth are you commenting on a public message about Reggie's contract situation?
Is that true? If so they should find a way to take part of that off or make the HG's contracts cap free for a certain amount of years no matter the salary or how many contracts it is. If that is true it punishes teams for doing a good job making their players better. Isn't that what the league wants them to do?
It sounds like there was no changes to the HG roster spots in the new CBA. Only change is the minimum HG salary will be $85K by 2024. And some U22 TAM initiative that little details have been given.
All of this has made me research the HG contract rules. If I am reading it correctly, there is also a HG max of ~185k which includes guaranteed bonuses. Trying to decipher the MLS roster rules is not fun.
I think your first sentence leads into your second. They go hand in hand. They set the precedent and sometimes that doesn’t always work out. Agree on the options being good, as long as it doesn’t restrict young Americans getting into the league.
I don't know who that poster is but could understand the feeling of prison bars if someone else holds your future in their hands and won't play nice with you. If Reggie wants to go to Europe and FCD is holding that up (no idea if they are) then he could rightfully be ticked. Playing out the contract and leaving for Free seems the right play for him to make. I don't necessarily fault FCD for taking advantage of him at a low salary anymore than its just the league they are in. This is why kids should turn down these low USL contracts etc and go to Europe first, then take a look at MLS second. Some are catching on. If Reggie went to Europe at 18 then who knows where he is now or if he is a starter at BVB, Shalke and now getting looked at for a transfer to a Euro giant. Those are the different paths the kids coming up should look at.....Ala the Gomez brothers. The prison bars statement rings more true for the young kids now living in the DFW area. If they don't want to go to Europe, their only chance to play pro in the MLS is to make nice with FCD. That is absurd. Why should a kid at Solar have to have his future tied to FCD, a club he doesn't like and never played for? The fact that kid can't tryout with and sign with Sporting KC, or Philadelphia without getting the blessing from FCD is a reason MLS is a joke when it comes to young players. Actively hampering a young kids options when that kid has never played a second for FCD is a travesty. Or how about a kid that played for FCD, then goes on trials to Europe at 17? If he does that against FCD wishes while he is in their DA, its not unreasonable to think FCD would then screw him over when he comes back if it doesn't work in Europe. That kid then can't seek out other MLS options unless FCD blesses it. That is also absurd. Way too much power for the club in these situations and the only option for great players is to ditch the MLS completely and take your shot in Europe. If that doesn't work out, you maybe screwed if FCD won't be fair and let you go somewhere else in MLS. Anyone know how long your home territory club owns your MLS rights? Does it end at some point?
If I was in charge at FCD I would look hard at a few of the young HG's that have been there a while and if they don't still seem to be ahead of some of the possible signings for HG spots then I would try and trade some of those players that haven't lived up to the initial promise. I guess the other possibility are season long loans but I'm not sure of the rules on whether loaning HG's takes them off the roster or not.
If that’s true then are Pax and Ferreira’s new contracts taking them away from the max of 10 HG count?
Yes, Pax and Ferreira no longer take up developmental roster slots. And Atuahene is out on loan, so he's off the list. We should expect more movement from the list to open up more spots. 1) Cannon 2) Roberts 3) Reynolds 4) Cerrillo 5) Servania 6) Sealy 7) Pepi 8) Munjoma 9) Nelson (GA) 10) Twumasi (GA) Let's just say that poster is somebody who knows Reggie personally. And if you know the player personally, you shouldn't be commenting on public message boards about their contract or salary or employment situation. That's betraying the player's confidence. As far as I'm concerned, what's going on between Reggie and FCD is no different than what happens between every player and club on Earth. We've heard the player and club haven't come to an agreement on a new contract. We've heard one was offered. Nothing unusual there. We haven't heard anything from the usual media sources about transfer offers coming in for Reggie during this past window. If you can tell me the transfer offers that came for Reggie that the club turned down, then we can have a discussion about it. Otherwise, there's nothing to say there. As far as territorial rights go, those are MLS rules and not FCD rules. As for preventing Solar players from going to other clubs...................all I'll say is "all's fair in love and war." Its funny. Solar administrators, parents, and players spend an enormous amount of time bad-mouthing FC Dallas every chance they get (including on the boards) and then expect FC Dallas to bend over backward for them. All's fair in love and war. Why would FCD help SKC get better if they don't have to?
Had no idea. Good for her. Wonder if anyone from FCD reads these boards. Figured there was really only about ten people in this forum.
I have heard many an FCD coach bad mouth Solar so it goes both ways. Why should Solar like or try to help FCD when all FCD does is try to take Solar's best players. Just the way it goes. As for your last questions, "Why would FCD help SKC get better i they don't have to?" Well, I would think just so they are not jackasses to a 17 year or 18 year old kid and trying to screw over his career. Seems like a good reason to me, but I guess FCD doesn't seem to care much about that. I do agree it is the league rule and something that should probably be worked out in Courts.
I don't think she said anything that could be considered inappropriate, and let's not act like going to a public forum to voice your displeasure with your club doesn't also happen all around the world. And, if Mrs. Cannon-Smith is to the point where she's calling Dallas a prison, maybe there's a reason for that. It's likely not a knee jerk response after one transfer window. Again, Reggie debuted for the national team over a year ago. They probably told her and Reggie that they had a plan for him to get to the national team and out of MLS once he got to that level, and now that he's there he's both not being sold and not getting a raise quickly. He's pretty widely regarded as the starting RB in the USMNT with a full strength XI right now - should he be moving forwards in his club career RIGHT NOW? Also, if she's talking like this to us, she's definitely talking to other families. We've all (except for you, it seems) felt the same sentiments as what she's describing over the past few years when looking at Acosta and now the current cohort. This just confirms our thoughts.
I disagree. It’s something that his agent should have probably done quite some time ago...put it out in public. I don’t know if the poster is his Mom or not, but as far as I’m concerned she’s putting info out there that is beneficial for all the up and coming players. Good on her. Again, while FCD is well within their rights, if this is the way a MLS club treats a starting USMNT player, imagine what it would be like as a run of the mill prospect. MLS rules are outdated and mechanisms once used to keep kids with their local clubs are now the exact same rules that will keep them from signing with their local club. I don’t know. Maybe because the player has had zero affiliation with FCD their entire playing career, outside of sharing an area code.
You guys are acting like FCD is the only club that exercises their territorial rights. Every MLS club does. Whether they're outdated or not, those are the rules. Everybody knows them. And FCD is 100% within their rights to enforce them just like Houston was 100% within their rights to prevent Chris Cappis from moving to Dallas. A Solar player wanted to go to SKC and FCD blocked it? Turnabout is fair play. FCD used to recruit players from Oklahoma, and in fact used to have a number of high profile USYNTers from Oklahoma. SKC refused to let FCD sign them as Oklahoma is part of their homegrown territory. So no, FCD isn't going to let SKC sign players from their Texas territory as long as the rules allow them to prevent it. Sorry. This kind of stuff happens a lot. All's fair in love and war.
No we are not. We are talking about how stupid the rule is and how it does the exact opposite of what the league should be doing to promote and develop young American players.
I am not disputing they have the right to do it. I am saying it makes them jack asses for doing it and just another reason not to like them or support them. Why they would think that is a good thing to do to a 17 or 18 year old kid trying to work his way into a pro situation is beyond me. Even if they have the "right" to do it.