The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. Yoshou

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    In the same vein that President Hillary Clinton is up for re-election this year....
     
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  2. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    So “Karen” is inclined to support who?
     
  3. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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  4. Deadtigers

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    You cant saybthe quiet parts out loud if bgg your a Dem. People want to hear you will play nice and reach across the aisle. Well the majority of progressives dont.
     
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  5. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    What’s the point with Moscow Mitch in the Senate?
     
  6. Boandlkramer

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    That’s the “nobody” candidate that 538 refers to?! [emoji41]

     
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  7. Walia Ibex

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    Very true article I've been saying this for awhile

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...020-democratic-primary-2016-trump-951614/amp/

    Bernie has a strong 25-30% base his 5-6 rivals are generally lackluster, pathetic, weak or contemptible who are splitting the vote enabling Bernie to garner narrow wins which bythe time the field windows will be too late because he will gather too much strength just like Trump did in 2016. Biden to me clearly is DEAD I really thought once NV and SC came around he would rally but now I don't see that happening. I see him going down hard in NV and losing in a whimper in SC.

    Amy and Pete aren't credible enough and Warren is already DOA after her disastrous NH performance.
     
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  8. totti fan

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    R.I.P.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    There isn't going to be any bill so long as GOP holds the senate
     
  10. Deadtigers

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    What movie is that?
     
  11. Walia Ibex

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    Any news out of Nevada? Other than the Reid machine is anti-Bernie and it's a damn caucus state.. any polls out, anybody live in Nevada on here and knows what is happening on the ground. Who has the best organization in the state, is the NV caucus a shit show, who were the top 2 candidates out there, who has real support outside of Las Vegas and Clark county.
     
  12. rich loc

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  13. Deadtigers

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    Biden.
     
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  14. Deadtigers

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    There is no point. Moderate Dems like to look like they will play fair.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    I do think its critical that in eras of high corruption, the boring old criminal justice system gets to work and prosecutes both big and small guys - especially those in the public service, or connected with public money, who engaged in corruption.

    If you do not do some of this, you won't restore the integrity of the culture.

    In NZ after the wildwest 80s, we prosecuted way too few people. So although regulations made things stricter, the people who robbed us blind just went on to different crimes.

    So I think the key is not so much political action, but actually to get a handle on the corruption because it does make a difference if the threat of jail is real.
     
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  16. JohnR

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    Yesterday I heard the following exchange between two Australian radio announcers.

    #1 - Bernie Sanders won the New Hampshire primary. He represents the far left of the Democratic Party, although his views would be centrist elsewhere.

    #2 - How is he far left?

    #1 - For example, he advocates health care coverage for all Americans.

    #2 - That's far left?

    #1 - In America, yes.

    #2 - Laughs

    #1 - Laughs in response

    That almost the entire U.S. media echoes Fox in suggesting that Republican policies are somehow more mainstream than Bernie's is a huge, huge triumph for Roger Ailes.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree mate - its a very strange state of affairs that the GOP has no actual healthcare policy beyond stealing your healthcare and lying about it, whereas O'care and expansion of public coverage are actually very popular e.g. at state level. Indeed the Dems cleaned up on this issue in 2018

    It hangs with the idea that GOP is great at elections - when as Wilson points out, actually since Nov 2016 the GOP has started losing 100s of state races
     
  18. Boloni86

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    They sound under informed. Bernie's healthcare plan is quite a bit to the left of Australia's plan. It pretty much would be the most left healthcare plan that I'm aware of in the world. First off the mandatory federal single payer component is only matched by Canada and UK as far as I know. But Bernie's M4A covers a lot more than UK or Canada. And it doesn't seem to have any reliable way to control funding caps, which again is an anomaly by global standards.

    I think a lot of Americans are also unfortunately blurring the line between Bernie's plan and the more generic concept of universal healthcare.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...blic-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html

    https://www.vox.com/health-care/201...payer-private-health-insurance-harris-sanders

    https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-october-2019/

    Right now M4A has basically just been reduced to a slogan. But eventually when the rubber hits the road, this goes back to congress and the details of the plan will have to face reality.
     
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  19. JohnR

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    I understand that point. On the other hand, whether he recognizes it or not, Bernie's proposal is largely aspirational. It would be severely watered down were he to become President, even if the Democrats controlled the House and Senate. Whatever bill that ended up being passed would likely resemble what other developed countries are doing.

    Meanwhile, the Republican effort to repeal the ACA without offering an alternative is clearly radical by developed country standards. We can quarrel about the extent to which Bernie's position is not globally mainstream, but we certainly cannot do so about Donald Trump's. He and his party occupy a one-country island.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Also NZ has mandatory government coverage

    Like the UK you can buy additional private plans which you can use in the satellite system of consultants, clinics and private hospitals.

    These are much cheaper than US coverage - e.g less than $200 pcm for a single adult, as you are covered already for all emergencies / major surgeries etc. In practice they are used seamlessly. So my dad has had 5 major ops in recent years on public, but consulted with private experts.

    But there is no way to opt out of the single payer system.
     
  21. Deadtigers

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    You told the other Bernie Supporters that.
     
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  22. xtomx

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    That was Bill Clinton.
     
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  23. xtomx

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    I am pretty sure that neither Mayor Pete nor Bernie Sanders is "a half black man.

    My comment was about the field of Democratic Candidates now being all white (with Patrick, Yang, Booker and Harris out) and nothing more.

    3 75+ white men (3 B's),
    2 white women,
    1 60+ white billionaire,
    and Mayor Pete.

    Not exactly reflective of what I see when I look at the Democratic Party demographics.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is why any Dem nominee needs to choose a brown running mate, and ideally a woman (if a man wins)
     
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  25. superdave

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    Dumb post.* The point of the tweet is that Bernie would lose if moderate voters coalesce around 1 candidate.

    Easier said than done.

    Predictions about the future are hard, but I think the nominee will almost certainly be Bernie if all 3 moderates stay in the race after Super Tuesday, even if just another 2-3 weeks. If 2 stay in, I'd still bet on Bernie if you give me even odds, but it'll be a close run thing. If 1 stays in, he'll get beat. (Remember my assumption is that if Bernie gets to the convention with 45% of the delegates he'll get the nomination, but if he's at 35% he probably won't. And THAT assumption is based on the Dems picking someone how isn't one of the close, moderate rivals.)

    The wild card is Warren voters. As they leave her, will they move towards her ideological doppelganger, which is a big plus for Bernie, or one of her tempermental doppelgangers, which makes Bernie's path pretty narrow.

    *The graphic probably overrates Sanders; it doesn't include Bloomberg.
     
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