Well, even in that era, tackles like the Sterling one were given red cards. This was just a very poor decision by both the CR and VAR. PH
While you're right, my post was more about how I feel like elite professional matches (top domestic leagues, continental competitions, and international tournaments like the Euros, World Cup, and Copa America) are trying to end matches 11 v 11 at all costs. I was hoping against hope that the existence of VAR would force referees to properly sanction tackles like this as SFP. It looks like I was wrong.
UEFA RAP does the same (1-10: 6 is clearly reckless, 8 is borderline where they would accept either YC/RC, 9 is SFP, 10 is f***ing h*ll that's a bad tackle). I can't remember seeing a '10' in any recent RAPs.
Our old pal's view: The random application of VAR is turning the Premier League into a farce. We saw video technology used to send off Arsenal’s Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang against Crystal Palace, but Raheem Sterling escaped punishment for a similar challenge on Dele Alli. We saw Danny Ings denied a clear penalty against Liverpool, then it was decided — correctly — that Sergio Aguero was tripped by Serge Aurier. There is no consistency. Sunday’s VAR was Kevin Friend, who was the referee for Liverpool’s 4-0 win over Southampton on Saturday. I was surprised Friend did not tell Mike Dean to go to his pitchside monitor to look at Sterling’s foul on Alli, given it was worthy of a red card. We’ve seen referees urged to use their monitors recently and Paul Tierney became the first official in the Premier League to do so when he dismissed Ben Godfrey of Norwich against Bournemouth. Dean was not advised to check his monitor. When you take into account Aubameyang was shown red for a similar challenge to Sterling’s, the City man should have been sent off, too. Sterling caught Alli with his studs above the ankle and he clearly endangered the safety of his opponent. For the penalty, VAR was right to say Aguero was fouled by Aurier, but City should have been awarded another spot-kick. Hugo Lloris made contact with Sterling’s leg and the City attacker got to the ball first, but VAR let play go on. This inconsistency is damaging the competition. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Manchester-City-victims-latest-VAR-farce.html
Often it is really a third cautionable offense that results in the red card. The actual second one is frequently not given, just a final word or two. (This is called excellent game management is some quarters.) Then the player gets carded on the next one, if he is stupid enough to try it again, or his coach hasn't got the message and subbed him off. PH
Do you think Sterling was 8 or 9? And do you think the UEFA-endorsed standard for VAR intervention is more 9 or 10?
i've always thought it should be 3 YCs for a RC. I think paradoxically it would lead to both more yellows and more reds for 3YC, because refs would be more willing to give out those cautions that result in send offs.
Well if you ask me it was a clear SFP. In UEFA's paradigm - I believe they would evaluate it as a 9. Definitely 9. But my feeling is that some clips that are 9 in the RAP would still not merit an intervention to recommend a Red Card in their view. So maybe 9.3, if you will, is UEFA's standard for intervention. Also I would strongly recommend to download UEFA's RAPs, you can do by following this link.
If it took 3 C to get sent off, you would see a lot more dissent and delay tactics. The real impact of a caution is that next time you're off. A first caution would have no teeth at all (aside from potential accumulation sanctions, which have separate issues).
This is true in theory. But in real life in some leagues and tournaments, where the referees are under pressure not to send people off, often a caution can be just a ticket to immunity. Which is why as I mentioned previously, it is actually the 3rd cautionable offense that results in the red card. For the first one to "have teeth" referees must be willing to produce the 2nd one when warranted. Many are reluctant to do so, especially if the first one is perceived as weak. PH
But do you really think that going to three would make it real? Or would we just have that exact same issue with 3rd cautions, so in those places it would now be 4 cautions to a send off?
No, I did not say that. I like the 2 cautions system, but would like to see it used correctly, and not defaulted to the de facto 3 we quite often see. In other words, I am saying that in many cases it is effectively an unwritten 3 caution system, because the real 2nd YC is deferred. And this is encouraged by many people who instruct and control referees in some leagues and tournaments, because they don't want to see too many red cards in the belief that sending players off will diminish the optics of the game and hurt the bottom line. It is euphemistically known as managing the game. Anyone who has been to clinics prior to tournaments or in pro leagues is very familiar with this. PH
Matchweek 26 Everton - Crystal Palace Referee: David Coote. Assistants: Lee Betts, Nick Hopton. Fourth official: Paul Tierney. VAR: Stuart Attwell. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday. Brighton - Watford Referee: Kevin Friend. Assistants: Simon Bennett, Adrian Holmes. Fourth official: Simon Hooper. VAR: Andre Marriner. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday. Sheffield - Bournemouth Referee: Jonathan Moss. Assistants: Marc Perry, Eddie Smart. Fourth official: Lee Mason. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Daniel Cook. Man City - West Ham Referee: Graham Scott. Assistants: Neil Davies, Richard West. Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh. VAR: Craig Pawson. Assistant VAR: Constantine Hatzidakis. Wolves - Leicester Referee: Mike Dean. Assistants: Darren Cann, Mark Scholes. Fourth official: Robert Jones. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Lee Betts. Southampton - Burnley Referee: Simon Hooper. Assistants: Simon Beck, Derek Eaton. Fourth official: Kevin Friend. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Gary Beswick. Norwich - Liverpool Referee: Stuart Attwell. Assistants: Simon Long, Sian Massey-Ellis. Fourth official: David Coote. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Simon Bennett. Aston Villa - Tottenham Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Daniel Cook, Stuart Burt. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Jonathan Moss. Assistant VAR: Simon Long. Arsenal - Newcastle Referee: Lee Mason. Assistants: Ian Hussin, Harry Lennard. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: Kevin Friend. Assistant VAR: Stephen Child. Chelsea - Man Utd Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Stuart Attwell. VAR: Chris Kavanagh. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis. Taylor with the big one, the reverse fixture of which he also did.
"Top six" matches: Liverpool - Man City (Community Shield): Atkinson Man Utd - Chelsea: Taylor Man City - Tottenham: Oliver Liverpool - Arsenal: Taylor Arsenal - Tottenham: Atkinson Chelsea - Liverpool: Oliver Man Utd - Arsenal: Friend Man Utd - Liverpool: Atkinson Liverpool - Tottenham: Taylor Chelsea - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Tierney Liverpool - Arsenal (Carabao Cup): Marriner Liverpool - Man City: Oliver Man City - Chelsea: Atkinson Man Utd - Tottenham: Tierney Man City - Man Utd: Taylor Arsenal - Man City: Tierney Tottenham - Chelsea: Taylor Arsenal - Chelsea: Pawson Arsenal - Man Utd: Kavanagh Man Utd - Man City (Carabao Cup): Dean Liverpool - Man Utd: Pawson Chelsea - Arsenal: Attwell Man City - Man Utd (Carabao Cup): Marriner Chelsea - Man Utd: Taylor Distribution of these matches in the EPL so far: Taylor: 6 Atkinson: 3 Oliver: 3 Pawson: 2 Tierney: 2 Attwell: 1 Friend: 1 Kavanagh: 1
Video of Mike Dean interview by Chris Foy on the occasion of his 500th EPL game: https://www.premierleague.com/news/1601119
If it touched moss, it would have then directly gone to the opposing team so play would be stopped and restarted with a drop ball to Sheffield.
Reports have it that Andy Madley and David Coote failed the FIFA fitness test. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7997199/Premier-League-referees-Andy-Madley-David-Coote-fail-FIFA-fitness-test.html
Maybe that's why Madley was refereeing the Championship match Wednesday between Millwall and Fulham? PH