The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *In his ESPN 30 for 30 voice*

    What if I told you that the most popular professional soccer league in the United States was Liga MX, and that the highest TV ratings for soccer matches are Spanish broadcasts of that league?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I agree with this, and I would add to it that we offer very few universal social services: every player needs health insurance, for example, which is going to be more expensive than the average for the simple fact that they're a professional (or semiprofessional) athlete.

    When we lived in the UK, we were shocked at how common it was for teachers to "split time", i.e. they worked part time and shared their classroom with another part time teacher. As Americans, we simply couldn't fathom subsisting on a part-time teacher's salary, even if only part of the family income.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Also, I want to add how sad of a sentence this is.
     
  4. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    If you draw less than 2K people per game you then budget accordingly it's not rocket science, there is only one reason why clubs go bust, it's not pro/rel and its not closed leagues, its simply bad management.
     
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  6. That's only the case as long as you perform. It's going to be interesting to watch what happens with ManUnited. FFP afaik prevents owners from dumping in money like before the installing of FFP. So when for instance ManUnited doesnot get out of their glide down and revenues fall back(another season without CL=cut back in sponsor money by a hundred million), Glaser can't turn the table by pumping in money. ManUnited cannot spend beyond their (still big) means, but then the spending that can be done isnot enough to come back into the rat race.
     
  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what they said, but it reality it was more "Rich stay rich, poor stay poor" motivation it seems.
     
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  8. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. No, it was about to stop nouveau riche to buy themselves a place at the table, like Abramovitch and those dudes at ManCity and PSG and without any relevant history of contributing to the glamour of the game (which the old rich clubs have done and as a result of that became rich) buying themselves instant glory.
     
  10. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crystal Palace bought with Billions in 2015
    Everton takeover by Billions 2016
    Wolves Billions takeover in 2016
    Southampton Billionaire takeover 2017
    Aston Villa bought with Billions in 2018

    Just wondering how the FFP has stopped the nouveau riche buying up places at the table and such. In case anyone might have made that claim. I mean this is just Prem clubs I thought of without actually looking anything up ...
     
  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My son almost got signed by a second-division team in Costa Rica. Money--specifically the fact that the club had practically none--played a major role in sinking the deal. It was eye-opening to learn how little money this club actually has.
     
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  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, but unlike Chelsea with Roman's Billions, Man City with Abu Dhabi limitless cash reserves, and PSG with Qatari Natural Gas trillions, the nouveau rich clubs don't have the advantage of an immediate cash injection to buy up top players today that those clubs had in a pre FFP world.

    FFP is designed to prevent teams from spending outside of their revenue. Crystal Palace, Southhampton and Everton combined for the year ending in June 2018 brought in £98M LESS than Man United.
     
  13. True, one can spend billions on buying a club nowadays (akin to buying an mls spot), but when it's a club with sparse revenues, it's not going to give you a spot on the table of the well to do. One can have enough money on his personal account to buy ronaldo and mess and van Dijk, but that's not going to help you as it's your money and not the club's.
     
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  14. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #25814 Doogh, Feb 11, 2020
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    Yeah, Pro Piacenza. Guess what?

    They folded.
     
  15. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the reasons MLS has been able to sign players from all over the Americas is that MLS paychecks arrive on time, and don't bounce.
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But they did, in fact, buy themselves a place at the table no?

    Everton
    19/20 spent 131.8m
    18/19 spent 109.7m
    17/18 spent 223.5m
    16/17 spent 94.6m
    EVERTON HAVE SPENT 559.6m on transfers since being taken over.


     
  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #25818 M, Feb 12, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2020
    You'd better ask Jason Ma, not me. I was merely replying to his post that went all Blackburn Rovers on us. Also, "odd" you didn't complain when some on here droned on about Bury...

    England and Germany are outliers largely because they're the two countries that have put most effort into developing an integrated pro/rel pyramid.
     
  19. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    How so? Plenty of clubs manage just fine with that level of support.
     
  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Do keep up. The discussion was about the claim that pro/rel creates more instability than closed leagues. That then led to the claim regarding "gambling" that you posted about. Given the anti pro/rel crowds leading measures of this purported instability is clubs disappearing - remember how some of the normal culprits got their knickers in a twist about Bury being expelled from the Football League? - it's a fair question to ask as to what the consequences of this purported gambling are in terms of the anti pro/rel crowd's favorite measure of instability.

    Anyway, I think the answer to my question is Hereford United, who got relegated from the second level in 1977 and went bankrupt in 2014.
     
  21. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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  22. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except for the part where a Norwhich has to play those clubs due to the pure and virtuous nature of pro/rel.
     
  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It even goes so far as to call it a "closed shop"
     
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