The MLS Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by fairfax4dc, May 20, 2016.

  1. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, he wanted some prime real estate for free. That same real estate was sold to developers at the market rate, and they built up the area with a convention center, shops and hotels and all that stuff.
     
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  2. wingman2468

    wingman2468 Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    May 25, 2018
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nashville

     
  4. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems like potentially bad news for the stadium. Any more updates?
     
  5. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Yeah, you get a certain amount of your investment return from suites and naming rights, which of course go up in value with the size of the league. But beyond that, difference in franchise value is a crucial piece, and franchises in general have to be worth enough for that difference to really matter. Taking New England, just spit-balling it based on Forbes estimates, the difference between what the Revs are worth and what they 'could be worth' in an optimal setup is about $150 million or so. This difference is a lot larger than it would have been only 5 or so years ago.
     
  6. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    NYCFC will be playing their CCL home games in a venue in New Jersey where they don't control the revenue.
     
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  7. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Its a better Stadium for soccer than YS or Citi Field, thats for sure...

    The narrative though is horrible
     
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  8. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where are the Red Bulls hosting their CCL matches this year?
     
  9. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And it's better than Hartford...
     
  10. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Concacaf reject Yankee Stadium?
     
  11. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Can't wait for the overreaction
     
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  13. Mr.Bill

    Mr.Bill Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Fargo
    Personally I think everyone has it wrong on NE because I’ve never been wrong on anything ever.......ok I might be full of crap but hear me out. Rebuild that GD stadium again and go full Tottenham Spurs and be able to roll out a football field and a futbol pitch. NE in ten years will have huge quantity of fans living the burb life. Which is about when they will get anywhere with a stadium. That team has the potential to pull huge numbers into the games.
     
  14. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The stadium is less than 20 years old and has had lots of recent renovations like a new HD video screen and more lug-jury suites in the south end zone where there used to be seats, so there's really no need to "rebuild" it. I like the idea of having a roll-out grass field, but given the cost and the extra revenue it would (not) generate (what, maybe 1-2 Nats or Euro club games a year?), how can you justify it?

    Yeah, the team has potential to bring in huge numbers and that has always been the case. I dinnae how old you are, but in the early years of MLS, the Revs were among the top teams in attendance and they used to say that they'd average 30,000 if they ever had a good team. Of course, the missing piece after all those years was commitment from the ownership. In the time before the new stadium was built the Revs were either breaking even or had modest losses as a stand-alone entity. We were Seattle before anyone had even invented Seattle.

    When the new place opened, the cost of just opening the doors quadrupled. They decided to have Patriots staff do double duty for the Revs (which went over really well for the lazy sloths who actually had to work at selling tickets now). The team was about to fold in 2002, but an improbably Cup run with 63,000+ for the final made sure that didn't happen. I can only wonder how different the story would have been if Winston Griffiths' shot was a quarter-inch lower. Still, the team was still run on a low budget as an afterthought. Even though the team was both entertaining and good, attendance declined. It didn't help that parking cost more than the cheapest ticket and they put all the fans on one side, so there'd be zero atmosphere.

    They've fixed that in recent years, but interest has been low-key for many years. With Arena on board (the soccer version of Bellichick) that they now take the on-field side seriously. The hope is that someone will catch the clue bus and demand the same level of competency for off-field elements, notably improving the atmosphere and creating a buzz around the team.

    There isn't a lot we can do to change the fact that we play in a soul-less concrete edifice with 30,000 more seats than we need in the midst of a dreary suburban shopping mall, but at least if the team put a little bit of effort in, it could be better.
     
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  15. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I went to boston this last december (patriots game, they lost to Miami ugh)...

    I was amazed of the lack of precence of the Revs in Boston. I never saw a sticker, flag, ad , clothing or anything else related to them, it was like they didn't exist (plenty of patriots, celtics, red sox and bruins gear everywere).

    Even at Gillette Stadium, I only saw 1 mere flag promoting Revolution Soccer. It was abysmal the lack of precence. That is all about the Front Office.
     
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  16. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, that's it in a nutshell. You'd think that the same people own both teams they'd plug the less popular team just a tiny little bit, but noooo, too much effort!

    Back in the 70s, Yankee Stadium was being rebuilt for 2 years and the Yanks shared Shea with the Mets. These were 2 direct competitors for the loyalties of BB fans in New York. But even the Yankees got to put their logo at the top of the scoreboard (covering the Mets') for their home games, and had sineage, etc. Of course, everyone knew it was really the Mets' stadium, but they at least attempted to make it their own.

    You'd think the Krafts would let their "other" team put up a couple of signs or do even the slightest thing to show they exist? They've done a little of that in recent years, but for years you'd never know they played there.

    As for merch and team gear, etc. it's nonexistent! I went to Montreal before they announced the Impact were moving up, and I saw more Impact stuff on sale in general stores than I do Revs' gear. And this is a town totally dominated by the Habs that there were Habs dog sweaters available in 4 different sizes!
     
  17. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nashville is starting to make the Miami situation look good.
    I would just hate to see Nashville playing forever in the Titans oversized stadium, but at least its a grass field.
     
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  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Arrowhead has a grass field.
     
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  20. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cotton Bowl too <_<
     
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  21. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    San Carlos: We're playing our match against NYCFC at Red Bull Arena.

    Citeh: Not so fast, my Costa Rican friends...

     
  22. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    More "cautious" than "cautiously optimistic":

    Here's the reason they're back in the Bronx:
     
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  24. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a dangerous stage. Nothing signed but now the public knows and is excited by it.

    Now's the part where usually the MLS team get's bent over in negotiations and it falls apart. Hopefully not this time.
     
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  25. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure they are already bent over as far as they can be
     

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