The polls at no point ever showed Corbyn ahead of Theresa May or Boris Johnson. Very different situation.
This is only one poll from early January, In Florida Sanders does a bit better in head to head vs Trump than Biden. Biden does better in 2 other swing states. But in all 3 both Sanders and Biden beat Trump. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tchups-michigan-wisconsin-florida/4488735002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...020-all-about-donald-trump-column/4541234002/ We do have to remember, a billion dollars worth on negative ads will be deployed against the Democratic nominee, so those number will change, we do know by how much and we do now know who would be more affected, a Biden or a Sanders, both have a lot of baggage that can be used against them, and obviously a lot of bullshit will be throw at them.
Last on Iowa from me. It’s a wash between popular and delegates....trophy for everyone. Moving on https://features.desmoinesregister.com/news/politics/iowa-caucuses-results-alignment/
Let's be clear anybody who truly believes that Bernie will beat Trump, specially in the Midwest, in Fl and the heartland, must either be delusional or overly underestimate, as someone posted a few weeks ago, the level of ignorance and stupidity of the American electorate. Bernie will not be able to unite the party to start with and will be shred by the Republican machine.
And Biden will? He’s the least coherent sounding one of them all....I mean he does have moments of lucidity
Coming from the people that ignored Bernie doing much better in poll matchups against Trump than Hillary, told us that's she's the safe and best choice to beat Trump. Yeah, you lot sure know how to pick winners.
True this could happen, and will happen IMO. But is also silly to believe that this will not happen to Biden. Both have weaknesses, both would be hit by a giant PR machine. Both could lose support from "independents", both could lose to Trump, even with out Russian help. I probably agree with you that Biden has a better chance, but I disagree that the difference is big.
Dude, stop day dreaming. Biden is a known entity for the American electorate. Bernie has never been really vetted. Beyond the socialist moniker that will be used to beat him to death with, his M4A plan is deeply unpopular in the battleground states and even with the democratic base. If he is the nominee, it will not be a referendum on this clown in the WH but a choice election between "capitalism and socialism". We all know how this movie is going to end. But I guess you guys will be happy with your joy train on the train to nowhere. "Revolution".. Yeah!!
Biden damaged himself. He's a doddering old drunk who never had a prayer of winning the nomination. The only thing he ever had going for him was a thin veneer of success from being plucked off the ash heap of history by Barack Obama. After faceplanting in Iowa (for the third time SMH) he doesn't even have that any more. Agreed. The party needs to thread the needle of finding a candidate who has the progressive chops to satisfy the left and also the moderate appearance to not scare the shit out of the ~250,000 voters that actually matter. Thankfully, that candidate exists for the Democrats if they're not too dumb to choose her.
This fact checks, even as late as June when Trump was all but wrapped up the nomination. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/ https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/poli...donald-trump-poll-general-election/index.html The scary part for Democrats, those polls from 2016, look better than than polling in 2020, so if we apply that margin of error today, Trump should beat both Sanders or Biden. Clinton was +13, Sanders was +16 vs Trump. Right now is what? Biden +6 and Sanders +5 or so. That is very scary.
Neoliberals blew a layup in 2016 by choosing such a weak candidate. Now it'll be tougher to take him down, and they think if they double down on another neoliberal , it'll work this time. Giving Trump what he wants, dude is licking his chops at the thought of going up against Biden, Pete, or Bloomberg.
Sanders was not going to beat Trump by 16 points, just like Clinton did not beat him by 13 point. The only defense for Sanders was that he would have done better in Michigan, Pennsylvanian, Wisconsin and Minnesota with out losing much in other states. Perhaps that could have been true, perhaps the socialist thing would have caught up with him. They say back up quarterbacks are popular, until they go into the game and throw 3 intersections. Sanders may get his chance to lose to Trump in 2020, just like Clinton got her chance in 2016 (Biden may also lose to Trump).
I promised myself that I would never vote in a primary on the basis of electability again. My problems with Sanders (and I voted for him in the 2016 primary) is not that he is too radical or is un-electible (which I'm not totally convinced of) but the while he talks about building a movement for change, he shows no ability to cajole or work with Congress to get any legislation passed. In this he has the worst characteristics of Obama.
Trump wants Sanders to win, he keeps trowing shit at the Democrats about cheating Sanders. But in 2016 Democrats wanted Trump to win, because he was seen as easy, who knows, maybe Trump helps Sanders win the Democratic nomination, then Sanders goes on to win the elections. That would be something. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/trump-aides-torn-bernie-sanders-2020-108226
Bernie is an extremely known quantity. No idea what you mean when you say he's not vetted. People already know he's a socialist, people already know he's for Medicare For All, this is already baked in.
He hasn't been through the wingnut attack machine Look what happened to Biden in recent months - of course that has had an impact in his favourability etc
Naw. Bernie will do significantly better than that. He's virtually guaranteed to win at least the 183 safe EVs, with a high likelihood of winning the 27 "likely", and a chance at the the 38 lean. The issue would be in the 86 tossups and whether enough people will get behind him to get the remaining 22 points.