The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. rich loc

    rich loc Member+

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    This helps Pete "win" Iowa....
     
  2. NGV

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    I think that Biden is being written off a little too soon by some.

    For most candidates, getting shut out of Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada would be the end of their hopes. But Biden has universal name recognition among primary voters, and probably a pretty durable base of support - so he's not as dependent on wins for publicity "bounces," and needs less money to stay within striking distance in national polls.

    Even if he finishes outside of the top three in NH and NV, Biden can still hope for a win in SC, and then to establish himself as the leading "moderate" alternative to Sanders/Warren after Super Tuesday (Bloomberg's performance is a bit of a wild card in that regard).
     
  3. NORML

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    really? Hello? This isn't 2012. The world has moved two days. Kirk Douglas has died. Bernie is going in Hot, without having to attack Warren but dealing with attacks from Joe and Pete, a Joe who has to actually attacking Pete. Making both attacks weak and splintered. Still seeing Bernie looking hot, even with the vote prob.
     
  4. rich loc

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    Yeah, good, ok.
     
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  5. Yoshou

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    Most likely data entry errors. Steyer got some votes that were intended for Sanders, Bloomberg got some votes intended for Buttigieg. Someone that isn’t a raving loon like Shaun King already noticed the errors and actually did some analysis on the errors and decided that there is a pattern of votes being entered in the wrong row in the first round and then switching to the correct candidate in the final round.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

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    Iowa has gone plus 18 since Obama won in 2008 and Trump wanted + 10 in 2016. So we're going to play this game of going out States because we don't like this system. Let's start with Iowa not to mention that they do this stupid caucus. . I mean they have one job and they can get that right.
     
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  7. MatthausSammer

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    So... A reporter for The Hill contends that there are discrepancies in the delegate count that overwhelmingly benefit Buttgieg. I'm not saying it's rigged, but it's a concern.

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  8. JohnR

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    A general election of Bernie vs. Trump would be an astonishing display of nonstop grievances and conspiracy theories. Might as well have the debates in Roswell.
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

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    To be fair, this is a reporter from The Hill, not a Bernie Bro.
     
  10. Walia Ibex

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    The democratic establishment hates Bernie enough said.
     
  11. Boandlkramer

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    Samma Weltmeister!
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    Sanders has to win so big it overwhelms their f**kery....
     
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  12. Walia Ibex

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    Sanders and Pete TIED, the fact the media is hyping a Pete "win" is ridiculous to create a candidate with very shallow support nationwide. I can see him doing well in NH but outside of the first 2 states he is done!
     
  13. totti fan

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    Isn't it funny how the "errors" always seem to favour the establishment.
     
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  14. totti fan

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    Sure, but Biden doesn't communicate a clear vision much like HRC he's just "I'm not Sanders and later it'll be I'm not Trump". Reality is, if he ever wins the oval office, is that his government in action won't be that dissimilar from Trump's.
     
  15. Deadtigers

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    Also, if you're really undecided do any of those people want to beat you to wait around in the cold and get into the gym, no. This is why I primary work.
     
  16. totti fan

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    Howard Zinn was right. Voting is a waste of time.
     
  17. Deadtigers

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    Outside of Iowa Bernie won every caucus state in 2016 and almost every state that he won was predominantly white.
     
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  18. NGV

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    Following up on this - I seem to be seeing an idea emerging in some places that the Iowa mess will have unfairly affected either Sanders or Buttigieg, by not allowing them to claim a clear victory, and denying them the ensuing benefit of that.

    That idea is stupid. The difference between getting 26% and 25% in the Iowa caucus is utterly inconsquential in any substantive sense. So, if the candidate that gets the higher of the two numbers then gets a substantive boost in the polls from that result, it's only because their self-serving triumphant campaign narrative has been effectively reinforced by a dumb media narrative. And the fact that it often happens that way doesn't mean that it SHOULD happen that way.

    It's actually better to have avoided that silliness, and to have the caucus result be viewed as what it actually was - virtually a tie. Although that perception was created by massive incompetence, it's an accurate perception of what happened.
     
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  19. NGV

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    To put it another way: at this point, the only rational answer to "who won Iowa" is "WHO ---- ING CARES?"

    Campaigns may have an incentive to pretend that miniscule vote or delegate margins have some weighty symbolic significance. But no one else is obligated to go along with the nonsense.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Ye Brah!

    Fascism all the way
     
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  21. Walia Ibex

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    Holy shit 96% of the vote is in and now Bernie is only down 0.1% in the SDEs. He might overtake him and win all three categories and the state caucuses after all. If that happens that's Karma for Pete claiming victory on election night lol
     
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  22. totti fan

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    Ryan Grimm: "At this rate Sanders could be the first candidate to win both Iowa and New Hampshire on the same day."
     
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  23. totti fan

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    I'm with Pete on this:
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  24. totti fan

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    True story:
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    He was smart. He set the narrative.
     

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