Olympic qualifying 2020, US vs Panama on January 31

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by Semblance17, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    And yes, I'm nerd enough to look up the games that beat this one:

    First place for Olympic qualifying was the 2016 group stage match against Mexico, which had 15032 in attendance in Dallas.

    First place all time was all the way back in World Cup qualifying in 2002 where 22522 gathered in Seattle to watch a game against. . . Panama.
     
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  2. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Despite the final score, I thought our finishing was poor until the last 10 minutes.

    Shooting practice for everyone before Monday and the quarterfinals.

    We also need to practice not standing offside with a clear view of the back line.
     
  3. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Concacaf being Concacaf.....
     
  4. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And no video cheating needed....
     
  5. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    There indeed were SO many easy opportunities for goals, beginning with a sure goal that Horan didn't convert before her hat trick. The game easily could have ended 13-0. Perhaps, as the announcers said, it was just a reflection of players being rusty. But this team has serious challenges ahead and some games will be close. It will be essential to put the ball in the net when the chance is there.
     
  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :thumbsup: You made my day!
     
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  7. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I remember match tracker. Ugh , but it was better than nothing. I also remember that Rapinoe is going back to her natural hair color - what she had for the first half of her career at least. The Platinum color always looked odd to me. Panama's goalie should have come off immediately after the Collision. Who knows what further damage has been done to her brain by the subsequent diving and saves made until she finally came out of the game.
     
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  8. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I wonder how Bailey is this morning? I think I'll do some Googling
     
  9. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I can't find anything on Bailey. The Jamaican men's team also has a player named Bailey, and he gets all the Press. I have to say again how much I liked Heath's no-look goal. She really gave the keeper the eyes
     
  10. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    Anyone else having trouble watching the game on Fox Sports Go replay? I signed in with a TV provider, then click on the game but it says "Oops! The page you are looking for may have hung up its jersey. We apologize for any inconvenience."

    Other sports and men's soccer games are working fine. What's happening...
     
  11. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Learned absolutely nothing. We had to run up the score to insure 1'st place in the group. I feel that these easy games could easily set us up to fall when we reach a tougher team in the next round. I don't see CR as that tough a team team.. The other group has Canada, Jamaica and Mexico. Ive seen all three and think it will come down to Canada or us. Jamaica and Mexico are both better than the other teams in our group

    Im sure Carly was upset that she didnt get a chance to run up her total goals record over Abby though it looked like several were being rested.
     
  12. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    #137 FanOfFutbol, Feb 1, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2020
    I tried to test this for you but I cannot find any replay of that or any other match in either my Fox Sports app or my Fox Sports Go app. I looked on my Fire TV, my Shield TV and my Roku.

    BTW: According to the web pages Fox Sports Go is for local Fox Sports channels while Fox Sports is for FS1, FS2, Deportes and BTN. I also get a message saying that when I enter Fox Sports Go.

    What device are you using to access the Fox app(s) you are using also what provider do you use?

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that I use Hulu as my provider and I can use them for recording but I also use Channels DVR with their "TV anywhere" functionality to record things that I want to local storage. I do not really trust third parties to store stuff for me as I have run into too many problems with just about any service from Fox to Hulu to Sling and Fubo. It also provides me with some redundancy to make sure that I get to watch things I deem important. I have trouble with the Fox Sports app on my Fire TV and my Shield TV where I get the message that I am streaming too many streams when that device is the only one active. On my Roku I get no such problem and Roku and Fox settled their dispute so the apps will remain active on Rokus.

    Edit to add: It appears that the Fox Sports app has a replay of US vs Panama on the Fox Soccer Plus channel starting at 13:30 EST. If that helps at all.

    Edit 2: There is also a replay at 20:00 EST today on FS2
     
  13. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BITE YOUR TONGUE
     
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  14. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #139 lil_one, Feb 2, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2020
    So apparently Bailey fractured her face in the game. How in the world was she allowed to continue to play?



    Edit to add: Four to six weeks of recovery, so tournament is over for her:

     
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  15. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    That is a very unfortunate injury for her. I hope she is allowed to heal well and that she does not develop a fear of contact as that would diminish her effectiveness as a goalkeeper.

    You are correct she should NOT have been allowed to continue no matter what she said. It was obvious that she was feeling some pain even over TV and the game was clearly already lost. The risk was MUCH greater than any reward that could happen.

    I once had a keeper try to talk me out of pulling her after a head impact she was adamant that she could continue. I pulled her anyway. She even threatened to quit the team if I pulled her. Later we found out that she had cracked the bones in her upper nasal area and that another impact could have seriously and maybe permanently injured her. After she recovered she returned to the team and became one of the top two keepers in the league.

    Whoever evaluated Bailey at the match should be fired and never work in sports medicine again. The player is much more important than the match.

    I wish Soccer would introduce the same protocols for head injuries that we are now seeing in hockey. I think I heard from the announcers that there is some new protocol where a player can be pulled for a potential head injury and then returned to the match later, if the protocol is negative, without using up a sub slot. I do not know if the announcers were correct but, if not, it should be implemented. There is some potential for abuse but player's safety outweighs any chance of the unscrupulous taking unfair advantage.
     
  16. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    huh?

    quite a few cases of players being able to deal with the pain and play on in spite of a fracture. I don't think all those medics should be fired and banned.

    i'm not sure a concussion is the same as a fracture.
     
  17. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    First it is impossible that she was evaluated correctly for concussion in the limited time they had. Second a fracture in the head area is at least as dangerous as a concussion and potentially more so.

    Bruising is almost instant when there is a facial fracture but the appearance of bruising can be a little delayed and it can be very hard to see on black skin. The goalkeeper I mentioned earlier was black and I did not see the bruising until well after the match. I just errored on the side of caution and that is what the people involved in Baieley's evaluation should have done and that is why I am being unforgiving.

    In the case of a head injury, unless it is absolutely clear that there is no possible complication, the player should be replaced. They put Bailey's life on the line by allowing her to continue and by placing the match or even the players desire above the player's welfare the decision makers showed a callousness that shows them to be unqualified to manage the health of athletes.

    It was simply a mistake but a mistake that risks a life, even slightly, is practically unforgivable.
     
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  18. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    Totally with you, FanOfFutbol. It's great that you pulled that keeper despite her threat to quit the team. We're all sports fans here, but the simple truth is that sports cultures can be pathological in many ways. One of the most obvious is how injuries are dealt with. It was outrageous to keep Bailey in that game and would have been outrageous even if her team had been ahead by a goal with five minutes left. Take a serious risk with a player's health, a risk that could genuinely threaten her life, to win a sports contest? Ugly.

    And while I'm writing this 100 million people are cheering on athletes who are killing themselves playing tackle football.
     
  19. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Do you mean the armored sumo wrestling that passes for American football?

    I played and watched that sport? in high school and through my first few years in the military but as I matured I found that it became less and less of interest and soon it became just downright boring. They spend so little time actually doing anything beyond trying to scratch themselves through their armor that you can watch everything that happens in a three hour game in about ten minutes. Only baseball or golf are more boring to watch and even curling has more excitement per minute.

    I now watch soccer and ice hockey and almost no other sports except the occasional rugby match or Australian Rules football. Those last are not sissified by excessive padding like the American Football. If you are going to be rough then actually be rough and do not hide behind armor.

    In 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt had to call a special meeting of Yale, Harvard, and Princeton representatives at the White House in order to find a way to stop the growing brutality in football. In the previous year 18 Americans lost their lives while playing football, and 154 more were seriously injured. Too bad we don’t have the video!
    I guess the only difference now is we do not allow the players to die on the field.

    But now I will, after bitch slapping an American sacred cow, step off my soapbox and duck and cover.
     
  20. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Women's/girl's soccer also has one of the highest concussion rates of all sports.https://completeconcussions.com/2018/12/05/concussion-rates-what-sport-most-concussions/
     
  21. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member+

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Coming from a GK and dad of a Gk the injury to Bailey was purely because of a lack of technique. She has only played keeper for a few years and you could tell. She often throws her body into challenges unprotected. Happened multiple times in the opening match. She went into that challenge completely exposed and got crushed. Hope she recovers and can work on protecting herself and make better decisions
     
  22. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Funny how you call Football "sissified" in response to taking about football players killing themselves in the super bowl.

    The "sissified by wearing pads, in comparison to rugby" thing always has me wondering if the person making the comment actually knows anything about rugby.

    There is exponentially more contact/collision in football than rugby. In rugby (other than the scrum) it is illegal to touch anyone that doesn't have the ball. In rugby it is illegal to tackle anyone above the waist. And, most significantly, in rugby there are no first downs. It's not a "game of inches" like football is. If you drag a guy down, even after he's dragged you a couple of yards, you made a great play. Every inch doesn't count. In football if a guy drags you a couple of yards, you're humiliated. In football the goal is to stop a guy in his tracks. The collisions are much more violent.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm saying the argument that football is sissified in comparison to rugby "because pads" is just ignorant.
     
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  23. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    "Sissified" is a homophobic term. Quite ironic to see it on a women's soccer page, given all the connections between sexism and homophobia.
     
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  24. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Like many other words "Sissified" is only "homophobic" if the reader or listener chooses to make it so or if it is used in such a way as the degrade those that choose alternate sexual orientations. In this context it was not used in that manner.

    From this point I wrote a rather long explanation about my position on American Football but then I realized that I errored by even bringing this to a women's soccer board and for that I apologize. I will not be responding any more on this subject and I hope others will drop it as well as it truly does not belong here. If anybody really wants to continue this they can PM me and, unless it is personal, I will try to respond.
     

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