They left, because they refused to accept Croatia as state. Also, they left because they thought that they will be heroes in Serbia, that they will get better life conditions, better lifestyle. Since they want to return back in Croatia, this speaks everything. Something that they wanted to destroy in 1991. is acceptable in 21st century. Ante isn't Serbian, Milan Nedic is Serbian. (Suicide by jumping). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Nedić "In August 1942, the German occupiers proclaimed Serbia Judenfrei ("clean of Jews").[16] Nedić also secretly diverted money and arms from his government to the Chetniks." Chetniks and Draza Mihailovic were also Serbs. Your allies. Enjoy in their biographies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks Draža Mihailović Ilija Trifunović-Birčanin Dobroslav Jevđević Pavle Đurišić Momčilo Đujić Zaharije Ostojić Petar Baćović Vojislav Lukačević Jezdimir Dangić Nikola Kalabić Dragoslav Račić Velimir Piletić Serbian homes in Croatia don't have only border with Croatia, they also have border with Bosnia and Herzegovina. Dark blue parts in the map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Revolution So, these rural areas in dark blue are better for them today than urban parts of Serbia where they left. What's this: SAO Krajina SAO Western Slavonia SAO Eastern Slavonia, Baranja and Western Syrmia Newly formed Serbian paramilitary states which never existed. Observe the villages where they have the majority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Croatia Imagine returning there from Serbia. Mostly communists, chetniks....that's why you don't attack them. All born in today's Croatia. With ancestors who are 300,400 years there, who were saved and accepted when they escaped in front of Ottoman Empire. World War II Milan Emil Uzelac (1867–1954), commander in the Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav and Independent Croatian Air forces, born in Hungary. Božidar Adžija (1890–1941), Yugoslav communist activist Branko Vukelić (1904–1945), spy for Richard Sorge's circle Momčilo Đujić (1907–1999), Chetnik commander in World War II, born near Knin Vladimir Velebit (1907–2004), Yugoslav partisan, diplomat and historian Rade Končar (1911–1942), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Korenica Filip Kljajić (1913-1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Petrinja Slobodan Bajić Paja (1916–1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Vukovar Rade Bulat (1920–2013), Yugoslav communist, partisan general, electrical engineer and People's Hero of Yugoslavia Branko Mamula (born 1921), antifascist and partisan fighter, admiral of the JNA, Minister of Defence of Yugoslavia (1982–1988) Nada Dimić (1923–1942), Yugoslav communist and People's Hero of Yugoslavia, born in Divoselo (Gospić) Simo Dubajić (1923-2009), Yugoslav partisan Jovanka Broz (1924–2013), Yugoslav partisan and the First Lady of Yugoslavia Boško Buha (1926–1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born in Virovitica Božidar Adžija (1890–1941), Yugoslav communist activist Stevo Rađenović, Chetnik commander in World War II Croatian War Veljko Kadijević (1925–2014), JNA general, born in Imotski Mile Mrkšić (1947–2015), JNA colonel, born in Vrginmost Slavko Dokmanović (1949–1998), mayor of Vukovar Mile Novaković (1950–2015), SVK commander, born in Vrginmost Vukašin Šoškoćanin (1958–1991), SVK commander, born in Borovo At least your posts are clearly related with the support of communism, chetniks, Serbs, Soviets...war criminals. And you don't dare to hide it. The reason of creation of the Ustase were these events: 1901: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(Serbia) 1903–1912 with roots in 19th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Chetnik_Organization 1929 - 1931: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_January_Dictatorship 1919: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Communists_of_Yugoslavia 1928: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puniša_Račić (Killings of Croatian representatives in Yugoslav Parliament). 7 January 1929 (de jure) 1930 (de facto) Ustase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe Are you enough bright to follow the TIME chronology and you constantly avoid Serbian nationalism, Yugoslav nationalism. Imagine that someone in 21st century kills some Parliament members in any state? How could you justify this? It would be called as pure act of terrorism. You can only eat dust in small jumps with your red star, skull flags with bones and black background. Ancestors of Pavelic are from Lika, Croatian region, where also many Serbs were born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivi_Put Rudy Tomjanovich, Rudy Perpich are from this place. Many prominent figures. Among notable people from Lika, you can see people who have Serbian origins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika Serbian intention was kill or displace all non-Serbian people and form SAO Krajina in 1990's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina Imagine that someone makes such terrorist action in any European country? What would happen? France, Germany, Spain, England... State only for those who are Orthodox Serbs....strong pluralism. Capital Knin Largest city Vukovar Common languages Serbian Religion Serbian Orthodox Your Yugoslavs were guilty for Foibe massacres. That's why Italians today live in Croatia as left-wing people. Because of fear. Region Istra and cities like Rijeka, Opatija are completely left-wing. Observe this project which is under strong critical tones in Rijeka. https://rijeka2020.eu/en/program/ti...elf-defensive-monument-nemanja-cvijanovic-hr/ Nemanja Cvijanovic - Serb of Croatia wants to place Yugoslav red star on one building. How many of Croats were cleansed because they didn't accept Yugoslavia as an state, ideology? They had the same destiny just like Slovenes, Italians, Germans and all others who refused Yugoslavia. We call it: "The dungeon of nations". Communism came in Croatia in 1919. as part of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. This was your ideology, only to remove other state names for the sake of Yugoslavia. French left-wing Resistance fought for France. German left-wing fought for Germany (East Germany) Yugoslav left-wing fought for Yugoslavia, not for Slovenia, Croatia, Italy... Croatia was in alliance with Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain during the WWII. Who tries to hide anything? Croatia lost in 1945. in favour of Yugoslavia. But in 1995. Serbo - Slavia project finally ended after the struggle since 1920's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm In Balkan Peninsula all problems still exist thanks to 100 year of communism on those parts. I don't see such problems in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, England...because they don't have communism as an false virtue, or ideal. Communist parties are probably prohibited there or on political margin, spectrum. Enjoy in Australian Open final. I see German Zverev whose parents escaped from Russia to Germany. Finally he got some wealth and life quality. Observe the Canadian, Australian tennis players....guess, mostly from Balkan Peninsula, Soviet Union. Thanks to communism they have better lives in Canada, Australia. The only thing that you have is your exhausted capitalist printer and lame propaganda of something that no one wants to promote, not even convinced communists. Even you hide this support in your real life. And that hurts a lot. I can say anywhere, that I am against communism. And people won't hit me with the newspapers. But you get a lot of negative critics. You try to decline Yugoslav army atrocities from early 20th century until 1995. The history is written. Who is Rob McCormick? Any biography of him? Found Robert, not Rob.
Totti fans hero, mass murdering spiteful mutant and the owner of the worse tash of all time. According to @dark knight though, Communism didn't slaughter people like the Nazi's so they're cool to support on Big Soccer.
Communist activism in 2019. in Spain, Madrid. https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/05/croatian-fascist-leaders-tomb-vandalised-in-spain/ Isn't this illegal? Vandals are destroying the Roman Catholic cemetery in Spain. "graffiti written in Cyrillic, a five-point star and a hammer and sickle symbol" Now, lets make some conclusions. Who would hate Ante Pavelic and if he is good in knowledge of Cyrillic Script and if he worships five star, hammers and sickles? Totti Fan and his 2nd account user Leonardo Musupic? Any leads? Hints? Obsession with peoples remains in cemeteries. I am not educated in medical sciences, but this should be questioned: mental health of communist activists. We could read about the Yugoslav War Crimes during the WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#Yugoslavia Totti Fan, what's your opinion about the Communist war crimes? Atrocities were made in Serbian autonomous region called Vojvodina, also in Slovenia - Kocevski Rog, Macelj, Tezno...mostly on those who wanted to escape from the area because they all knew that Yugoslavia might be formed. War crimes, crimes against humanity: murder of prisoners of war and civilians. Persons responsible: No prosecutions. You could open your third account, so that your support for communism can really have multiple personality disorder. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/22/tito-terror-must-be-re-examined Ex-socialist had to rename the square: https://balkaninsight.com/2017/06/27/zagreb-mayor-opts-for-renaming-tito-s-square-06-27-2017-1/ https://euobserver.com/news/29997 https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...squads-operated-in-west-germany-a-733636.html https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tito-is-made-president-for-life On April 7, 1963, a new Yugoslav constitution proclaims Tito the president for life of the newly named Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Tito had rare animals as his pets, stuffed animals from other continents, Cadillac, mansion....typical symbols of communism. I can see here only a strong hedonism with questions about the animal rights? How can you bring such animals in business class with you? https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attract...photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7 For me (animal lover), these images are horrible and matter of animal cruelty. At least you could make donations Totti Fan, Leonardo Musupic for life and provide better conditions for animal salvation and protection in Australia, because of all those fires. Remove the Monarchy, the clergy, make place for the communist Monarch, God, the Prophet, the eternal Leader.
February is the month of Carnival Manifestations. But this video is a true example of admiration for Tito in his birthplace Kumrovec. 25th May 2019. year - Day of Joy. People came from Bosnia Herzegovina, Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, even Austria. Highly educated people, as you can all see. The carriers of Yugoslav economy and investments. Iconic fans of Tito's opus and values. Since this is Italian part of forum, we could talk about the fashion styles, badges, caps... 10:57 minutes of pure pleasure for all Yugoslavs plus Totti Fan and his clones here. 7.48 minute: Croatian coat of arm replaced with red star. 9.28 minute: Croatian ex-President from 2000. year until 2010. So much about capitalism after 1990. Better than sitcoms. https://rememberingyugoslavia.com/katarina-radulovic/ Observe how political school Kumrovec looks today. The price of this school is 1,5 millions of EURO's. Start some crowdfunding Totti Fan. Bilateral meetings in Sweden, when you don't know how to exit from the car.
I can tell that my line of questioning has gotten under your skin because you are ramping up your essay length postings that do nothing but show that you are losing this debate with me. Many thousands of Serbs had homes on this inside border of Croatia for many generations and lived peacefully. After the war broke out, Croatian soldiers ethnically cleansed them, and vice versa happened in Serbia. No one but you is denying this, least of all me. You write apologizing for all of the Croatian Nationalists crimes as Ustaša blaming everyone but the main protagonist, the Croatian Nationalist. Now you refuse to address the Foibe massacres which were all Croatian led within the army of Yugoslavia, 15,000 dead. Let's see you pull out a list of wiki links for that. Two can play that game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia “Ustasha carried out a Serb genocide, exterminating over 500,000, expelling 250,000, and forcing another 250,000 to convert to Catholicism”.[104][105] Or maybe you love your fellow fascist and Nazi apologist Tuđman "By 1989, the future President of Croatia, Franjo Tuđman (who had been a Partisan during World War II), had embraced Croatian nationalism, and published Horrors of War: Historical Reality and Philosophy, in which he questioned the official number of victims killed by the Ustaše during the Second World War. In his book, Tuđman claimed that fewer than thirty-thousand people died at Jasenovac.[citation needed] Tuđman also estimated that a total of 900,000 Jews had perished in the Holocaust.[118] Tuđman's views and his government's toleration of Ustaša symbols frequently strained relations with Israel.[119] Nonetheless, in his book, he did confirm that genocide happened" "The Croatian Wikipedia has received attention from international media for promoting a fascist worldview as well as a bias against Serbs by means of historical revisionism and negating or diluting the severity of the crimes that were committed by the Ustaše regime." "Revisionism in the Croat diaspora In 2008, in Melbourne, Australia, a Croat restaurant held a celebration to honour Ustaše leader Ante Pavelić." You keep denying that it the Croatian Nationalist who did this but the Serb, Bosniak, German and Hungarian, isn't that right? Croatians never commit any crimes. Croatians didn't murder Jews or Serbs, just Jews and Serbs killed themselves according to you. Maybe your father was his friend, explaining why you defend him?
This well known Hollywood communist is a dead ringer but the best part is he ended up hiring this traitor once he got out of prison. His father was on the Hollywood blacklist and even though he changed the surname cant hide the fact. Morta Cristo.
If you notice, last pages here are mostly with humour. I started to mock with you and your communist ideals, placing fans of communism in video from above, illiterate people, who have tattoos with their support to Yugoslav Army...their tattoos look like this: heart and arrow poked inside of it with the Anno Domini (year) of service. Your movement and ideology are literally nothing. Serbs didn't lived peacefully. You forget the WWII and their priest Momcilo Djujic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momčilo_Đujić In 1941. Serbs started to make official conflicts against non-Serbs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II The list of their crimes is placed lower. So, once again you confirmed that you are clueless. Who are Croats? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Croatia As you can see, there are people of different type of origins. Slavic Croats? Germanic Croats? Latin Croats? Those who live in Croatia as Orthodox Christians for 400 years maybe? Bosnian Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina? Ante Pavelic has Latin origins, his ancestors went under Slavicisation. You just hate him, because he doesn't have communist membership. Otherwise, he would be acceptable to you. Serbs lived peacefully? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Revolution Pretty well armed in 1990. They blocked the roads. Rebels since 1786. and you say that they were peaceful. Habsburg/Ottoman period and the Kingdom of Serbia Stevan Šupljikac (1786–1848), Serbian rebel and first Duke of Serbian Vojvodina Omar Pasha (1806-1871), Ottoman field marshal and governor[124][125] Gavrilo Rodić (1812-1890), Austrian and Austro-Hungarian general Stjepan Jovanović (1828–1885), notable military commander of Austrian Empire Emanuel Cvjetićanin (1833-1919), Austro-Hungarian Field Marshal Liteant Đura Horvatović (1835-1895), Serbian general and military minister Svetozar Boroević (1856–1920), Austro-Hungarian field marshal Miloš Božanović (1863-1922), Serbian military commander and Minister of Defence Vasilije Trbić (1881-1962), Serbian Chetnik commander in Macedonia Raoul Stojsavljevic (1887-1930), Austro-Hungarian WWI flying ace credited with ten aerial victories World War II Milan Emil Uzelac (1867–1954), commander in the Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav and Independent Croatian Air forces, born in Hungary. Božidar Adžija (1890–1941), Yugoslav communist activist Branko Vukelić (1904–1945), spy for Richard Sorge's circle Momčilo Đujić (1907–1999), Chetnik commander in World War II, born near Knin Vladimir Velebit (1907–2004), Yugoslav partisan, diplomat and historian Rade Končar (1911–1942), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Korenica Filip Kljajić (1913-1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Petrinja Slobodan Bajić Paja (1916–1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born near Vukovar Rade Bulat (1920–2013), Yugoslav communist, partisan general, electrical engineer and People's Hero of Yugoslavia Branko Mamula (born 1921), antifascist and partisan fighter, admiral of the JNA, Minister of Defence of Yugoslavia (1982–1988) Nada Dimić (1923–1942), Yugoslav communist and People's Hero of Yugoslavia, born in Divoselo (Gospić) Simo Dubajić (1923-2009), Yugoslav partisan Jovanka Broz (1924–2013), Yugoslav partisan and the First Lady of Yugoslavia Boško Buha (1926–1943), Yugoslav partisan and National Hero, born in Virovitica Božidar Adžija (1890–1941), Yugoslav communist activist Stevo Rađenović, Chetnik commander in World War II Croatian War Veljko Kadijević (1925–2014), JNA general, born in Imotski Mile Mrkšić (1947–2015), JNA colonel, born in Vrginmost Slavko Dokmanović (1949–1998), mayor of Vukovar Mile Novaković (1950–2015), SVK commander, born in Vrginmost Vukašin Šoškoćanin (1958–1991), SVK commander, born in Borovo Yugoslavia / SR Bosnia and Herzegovina - among them you can find war criminals, communists. Cvijetin Mijatović, former President of the Presidency of SFR Yugoslavia Vojislav Kecmanović, former President of the People's Assembly of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Đuro Pucar, former President of the People's Assembly and President of the Executive Council of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Vlado Šegrt, former President of the People's Assembly of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Ratomir Dugonjić, former President of the Presidency of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Obrad Piljak, former President of the Presidency of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Milanko Renovica, former President of the Presidency and President of the Executive Council of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Milan Gorkić, former President of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia Aristotel Petrović, former Mayor of Sarajevo Ljubo Kojo, former Mayor of Sarajevo Vaso Radić, former Mayor of Sarajevo Bosnia and Herzegovina / Republika Srpska Momčilo Krajišnik, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina Tatjana Ljujić-Mijatović, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina Živko Radišić, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Mayor of Banja Luka Mirko Šarović, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina Borislav Paravac, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina Nebojša Radmanović, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina Mladen Ivanić, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina and former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Dragan Mikerević, former member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina and former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Milorad Dodik, member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina, former President and former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Rodoljub Čolaković, former President of the Executive Council of SR Bosnia and Herzegovina Spasoje Tuševljak, former Chairmen of the Council of Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina Dragan Mikerević, former Chairmen of the Council of Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola Špirić, former Chairmen of the Council of Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina Boro Bosić, former Co-Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Bosnia and Herzegovina Radovan Karadžić, former President of Republika Srpska Biljana Plavšić, former President of Republika Srpska Nikola Poplašen, former President of Republika Srpska Mirko Šarović, former President of Republika Srpska Dragan Čavić, former President of Republika Srpska Milan Jelić, former President of Republika Srpska Igor Radojičić, former acting President of Republika Srpska Rajko Kuzmanović, former President of Republika Srpska Željka Cvijanović, incumbent President of Republika Srpska and former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Pero Bukejlović, former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Aleksandar Džombić, former Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Radovan Višković, incumbent Prime Minister of Republika Srpska Mićo Sokolović, founder of the labour movement in Bosnia and Herzegovina Dunja Mijatović, Commissioner for Human Rights But in 1995. they started to escaping. Log Revolution wasn't so effective. They had attempts of taking over Roman Catholics as Serbs, they started this in Dubrovnik. So that they can finally some history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb-Catholic_movement_in_Dubrovnik Their silly books started to print in 1878. Srpska Zora means Serbian Dawn. Foibe were an act of communism, Yugoslav ideal, who completely declined any type of Slovene, Croatian, Italian, German ethnicity in Croatia and Slovenia. That sad period of Yugoslavia is a communist burden. Those crimes were made in the name of Yugoslavia. That's why many Italians, especially those who came in Croatia during 19th, 20th century are left-wing people. Interesting, other Latins, who came much earlier, don't have such burden of fear. Usually they are completely against communism. But you don't know anything anyway. And you don't understand the timeline. President Franjo Tudjman was a general in Yugoslav Army. Read his biography. He only started to talk the right-wing ideas so that people accept him as something different from communism. I said many times, that all presidents of Croatia are of left-wing origins, just like Prime Ministers, except one: Tihomir Oreskovic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Tuđman Other political affiliations: League of Communists of Yugoslavia (1942–1967) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Tuđman Other political affiliations Social Democrats of Croatia (1990–1992) Conversion and deleting: Croatian True Revival (2002–2011) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankica_Tuđman "In January 1945 she transferred from Čazma to the Supreme command in Belgrade, returning to Zagreb following its liberation by Partisan forces in May 1945. Thereafter, she moved to Belgrade with Tuđman, gaining employment at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of SFR Yugoslavia and marrying Tuđman on 25. May 1945. They had two sons and one daughter: Miroslav (born in 1946), Stjepan (born in 1948) and Nevenka (born in 1951)." "In 1960 her husband was promoted to the rank of major general, but decided to leave the military in 1961, with the whole family moving back to Zagreb. Once there Franjo Tuđman established the Institute for the History of the Labour Movement in Croatia (Croatian: Institut za historiju radničkog pokreta Hrvatske)." You really don't know anything? Can you read with sense and understanding? These are your people who felt ashamed of communism in 1990. Just like many others who are probably now in Churches, Monasteries and Mosques all over ex-Yugoslavia. Nobody wants to bring the remaining parts (bones) of Josip Broz Tito in Croatia. He is buried in Serbia, Belgrade. You really think that Serbs accepted Roman Catholic faith during WWII? And that they really remained as Roman Catholics? What about Serbian Orthodox Church? They have jurisdiction on all Orthodox Christians in ex-Yugoslavia. How do you explain this? If we all know that there are Vlachs who are of Orthodox Christian faith. Ustase were reaction against figures like Punisa Racic, king Alexander, Yugoslavia, Communism. What part do you don't understand? How can Croatia, who is a Roman Catholic state accept the king who had coronation in Serbian Orthodox Church. Kings of Croatia had coronations in Roman Catholic churches, approved in Vatican, by the Popes through history. Also, your Yugoslav king had peasant origins who came from this figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karađorđe "Đorđe Petrović was born into an impoverished family in the village of Viševac, in the Šumadija region of Ottoman Serbia." Ottoman Serbia. On the other hand, Croatia had kings since 810. year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljudevit They all ruled with the support of Vatican Pope. Not with the support of some ethnic - religious sect from Balkan Peninsula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Višeslav_of_Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trpimir_I_of_Croatia PRO DVCE TREPIME[RO... ...PRECE]S CHR[IST]O SVMIT[TATIS ET INCLINATA HABE]TE COLA TERME[NTES...] Trpimir undertook a pilgrimage to Cividale together with his son Peter, which was recorded in the Evangelistary of Cividale, where he is titled as dominus (domno).[7][8] Serbs don't make Roman Catholic pilgrimages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdeslav_of_Croatia "In 879, Pope John VIII asked Duke Zdeslav for an armed escort and protection for his legate who was crossing Croatia on his way to Bulgaria, ruled by Boris I.[4][5] In early May 879, Zdeslav was killed by arrows near Knin in an uprising led by Branimir, a relative from Domagoj, instigated by Pope John VIII fearing Byzantine power.[1]" One Serbian king was baptized as Roman Catholic. They hate this fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_the_First-Crowned Religion Roman catholicism before 1217. Converted to Serbian Orthodox Why is this important and funny? Because his younger brother Rastko Nemanjic (Saint Sava) was the founder of Serbian Orthodox Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Sava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Orthodox_Church But you already confirmed that you don't know anything about the history. My father is much younger, just like I am much younger than you. That's why this discussion has even more amusement. Older nimrod must learn from younger and more modern figure. Please, do come and celebrate 25th May 2020 with your toothless communists in Kumrovec. They had free education after all. But almost no one has university degree. According to their clothes, way of speaking, hand waving, silly word pronouncing. Your education is seriously questioned in my eyes. All normal people call that event as carnival, the ball under masks... At least 10 people mock with you and your world of view, but you don't understand this. You probably hide your view publicly. You worked so diligently to copy your entire world view, to become an pail copy of muted collective. Remain in silence, until your dictators says the opposite. You know the game: Simon says. Listen and behave as others want. Once again, this post mocks to you and your useless movement. Since we already lost any type of science.
I watched women Final of the Australian Open. The winner of this tournament fled with her parents from Soviet Union in USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofia_Kenin "Sofia Kenin was born on November 14, 1998 in Moscow to Alexander and Lena Kenin. Her family moved to the United States a few months after she was born. They had previously left the Soviet Union to live in New York City in 1987, but returned to Russia for Kenin's birth so that other family members could help raise her initially. Her mother had worked as a nurse in the Soviet Union, and her parents had little money when they first moved to the United States." I guess that communist bear couldn't ran for hew...just like all other members of Soviet establishment. She represents USA now. The story about the American Dream. The runner up had to escape from Venezuela. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbiñe_Muguruza "Garbiñe Muguruza was born in Caracas, Venezuela, on 8 October 1993 to Venezuelan mother, Scarlet Blanco and Basque father José Antonio Muguruza.[2][3] She has two elder brothers named Asier and Igor, and has dual Spanish-Venezuelan nationality.[4] Muguruza began playing tennis at the age of three. After moving to Spain with her family when she was six years old,[5] Muguruza began training at the Bruguera Tennis Academy near Barcelona. Muguruza occasionally plays the guitar in her free time." So, she was born in 1993. She left Venezuela with her family when she was six. So, this is 1999. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez In office 2 February 1999 – 5 March 2013 Tomorrow is the anniversary of the arrival of Hugo Chavez in power. The only way how you can become an successful tennis player in a communist country are those who are the part of communist establishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic "Novak Djokovic (Nole) was born on 22 May 1987 in Belgrade, SR Serbia, Yugoslavia, to parents Srđan and Dijana (née Žagar). He is of paternal Serbian[15] and maternal Croatian descent.[a] His two younger brothers, Marko and Djordje, have also played professional tennis." Žagar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žagar_(surname) "Žagar is a Slovene and Croatian surname, an occupational surname, it is a Slavicized version of German Säger meaning sawyer." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic#cite_note-22 "Novak's father Srđan was born in a village near Trepča, in Kosovo.[16] In the early 1980s his family moved to Belgrade.[17] Srđan's grandfather Neđeljko with his wife Sara moved from Jasenovo Polje [sr] near Nikšić (now in Montenegro) in the 1920s to Voćnjak in Metohija, receiving lands for serving in the wars.[17][18] During World War II the family fled Albanian threats and took refuge at the house of relative Novak, after whom Novak was named.[17] After the war, Vladimir, Srđan's father, returned to Metohija and then settled Kosovska Mitrovica in 1951.[17] The Đoković family ultimately hails from Čevo, which it left in 1730 after ancestor Đoko Damjanović killed a Turk.[17] The family celebrates the Serbian Orthodox family feast day (slava) of Aranđelovdan.[19] Novak's mother Dijana (née Žagar) was born in Belgrade. Her parents Zdenko and Elizabeta, who worked in the Yugoslav military as pharmaceut and nurse respectively, moved to Belgrade from Vinkovci in eastern Croatia.[20][21]" How surprising. Čevo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čevo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozrinići_(tribe) Katun, Katunska are usually the mark of Latin Vlach communities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_(social_class) "mainly composed of ethnic Vlachs and Serbs" "Following the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans, the Vlachs, being both Orthodox and Catholic." "and still a largely nomadic and semi-nomadic pastoral non-Slavic-speaking." Interesting, Orthodox Vlachs came in Croatia. I wonder what happened to them, who are they now today? Orthodox Christians are? Serbs. So, Yugoslav military staff...now watch this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak_Djokovic "The two became engaged in September 2013,[27] and on 10 July 2014 the couple got married on Sveti Stefan in Montenegro,[28] while a church wedding was held in the same place, on 12 July 2014, in the Church of Saint Stephen (Serbian: Црква Светог Архиђакона Стефана) which belongs to Praskvica Monastery." From brainwashing communism, obvious Yugoslav upbringing, to the feast day Arandelovdan, Church weddings, monasteries. The usual road to the finals of ex-communists after 1990. Pro - Croatia interviews. https://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/35841-novak-djokovic-croatia https://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/37598-djokovic Nationalism in Serbia. https://www.tennis365.com/grand-slam/wimbledon/novak-djokovic-comes-under-fire-for-croatia-support/ Enjoy in reading Totti Fan and learn about the Pan - Slavic Slavicisation.
Hey Leon @totti fan @Leonardo Musupic I know math is not you thing but here are some simple stats you might want to ask someone to read you aloud and explain. ”70% of black and mixed-race Cubans said they didn’t have access to the internet, compared with 25% of white Cubans. The racial wealth gap was also vast: While 50% of white Cubans had a banking account, only 11% of black Cubans said they had one.“ https://t.co/jwwDeZWKPX
You are making this much too easy. If Serbian war crimes have anything to do with normal civilian Serbians that were ethnically cleansed, then on that bases Croatian Nationalists didn't live peacefully either. The reality is that the crimes of Serbian war criminals have nothing to do with regular Serbians who were slaughtered by Croatians just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You remember the Foibe Massacres and the Ustasa, right? Of course you do, you support them. The Serbs that wanted to return to Croatia were land owners there for many generations before the Croatians ethnically cleansed them. It's a fact you would rather forget. I can see how hard you are trying. This tells me that the truth hurts you. I can tell you that neither myself nor anyone else is reading your mish mash of wikipedia links with the pro Croatian nobleman message. Croats are mass murderers in WWII committing many atrocities under the banner of the Nazi flag because you believed you were of the Germanic race. Then you cleansed the coast of Italians after communists got rid of fascism and united the people of the Balkans. After that you started up with nationalism again pretending you were a different race. It's all written in history all over, except your historians are trying hard to rewrite the history. Why are they ashamed when you don't seem to be? Long live Pavelić. Long live Tuđman. Pavelić and Hitler
Croatia is working hard to rewrite their history and prevent access to archives proving war crimes even more unimaginable than we know https://www.jns.org/historians-accuse-croatia-of-covering-up-wwii-war-crimes/ Historians accuse Croatia of covering up World War II crimes Critics warn that a law barring public access to archive materials on individuals aged 100 and over will silence research into Croatian government’s wartime collaboration with Nazis.
We're in an Italian forum, so why not discuss the many Italians that were slaughtered at the hands of Croatian Nationalists who turned Socialist to serve in the Yugoslavian army? Let's talk about the Foibe massacres Gilbertsson. Pay specific attention to the last two sentences. Only Croatia refuses repayment but your time is coming. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Foibe Many Italians were forced to leave the country after massacres. Economic insecurity, fear of further retaliation and the change of regime that eventually led to the Iron Curtain splitting the Trieste-Istria region, resulted in approximately 350,000 people, mostly Italians, leaving territories in Istria and Dalmatia. The inhabitants of territories that were under Italian rule since World War I according to the Treaty of Rapallo of 1920, later assigned to Yugoslavia by the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947-02-10 and the London Memorandum of 1954 were given a choice of opting to leave (optants) or staying. These exiles were to be given compensation for their loss of property and other indemnity by the Italian state under the terms of the peace treaties. On February 18, 1983, Yugoslavia and Italy signed a treaty in Rome where Yugoslavia agreed to pay 110 million USD for the compensation of the exiles' property which was confiscated after the war. By its breakup in 1991 Yugoslavia paid 18 million USD. Slovenia and Croatia, two Yugoslav successors, agreed to share the remainder of this debt. Slovenia assumed 62% and Croatia the remaining 38%. Italy did not want to reveal the bank account number so in 1994 Slovenia opened a fiduciary account at Dresdner Bank in Luxembourg, informed Italy about it and started paying its 55,976,930 USD share. The last payment was paid in January 2002. Until today Croatia hopes for a different solution of this matter and has not paid a dollar yet. The Italian side has not withdrawn a single dollar from the account yet.
Yes, it's easy to talk with someone who defends communism and doesn't have a single argument against communism. Serbs of Croatia were an tactical aim of your socialists Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadzic and other Hague Tribunal residents, so that they have an excuse for conquests. Greater Serbia is something well known in history and I don't mean on communist history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia The map of Greater Serbia looks just like the map of Yugoslavia. Kingdom of Yugoslavia...communist Monarchy of a king with peasant origins. This makes no sense, because communism is against Monarchy and communist leader is an eternal "Monarch", "God"... Serbian war crimes, also part of a non-communist history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes Serbs of Croatia were main political figures of newly proclaimed state SAO Krajina with the support of Belgrade, providing weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goran_Hadžić Once again, read how leftist communist becomes an right-wing nationalist, filled with religious ideals. "In the Spring of 1990, as a representative of the League of Communists Party for Democratic Changes, he was elected to the Municipal Committee of Vukovar." You attack your own communists, who were born in communism, educated at home with communist values and they started to abolish communism in late 80's preparing to take advantages as newly formed capitalists. But you always ignore this, not the brightest forum user. "Peaceful" Serbs attacked Croatia in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Dubrovnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes Normal history already says that Croatia made an self-defence against Serbia. The war was not placed in today's Serbia, unless if we don't include Serbian atrocities against Croats in Serbia, who also lived there for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Croats_in_Serbia_during_Yugoslav_Wars I don't understand what's your aim here, you constantly forge the history about the peaceful Serbs who made nothing wrong....can you tell the final aim of this funny and crazy theory? Serbian nationalism and territorial pretensions exist since 19th century, through Chetnik Movement, at first it was with books, written propaganda to take over the Roman Catholics of Dubrovnik as Serbian corpus....as you can see, more than 100 years they aim for Dubrovnik and they finally attacked Dubrovnik with weapons in 1991. Vukovar attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vukovar_massacre Areas in red on the map show where Serbian people lived for centuries after they were accepted there and saved while they escaped in front of Turks (you avoid that also). The red parts should become Greater Serbia. So, Ustase (right-wing movement) are responsible because of Foibe? And victims of Foibe were against communism and Yugoslavia, just like Ustase. Logic is really your stronger side? Ustase were victims in Bleiburg just like all other opponents of Yugoslavia (Foibe). Nobody tries to forget the Serbs who lived for centuries in Croatia and when they started to promote the state from abroad (Serbia). They started the rebellion, after Croatia and Slovenia left Yugoslavia. They said that they only want to live in Serbia. The only way was that they get conquests from Serbia or that they just leave in proper Serbia. The first one failed, so they had to leave in Serbia over Bosnia. Perfectly normal self-defensive act. Those Serbs who remained in Croatia, they signed the loyalty lists and remained normally. But the are mostly in urban parts, not like the rebels who were from rural parts. Serbs of Zagreb, Split, Rijeka were more educated and they knew who is responsible for the war. I don't forget anything, I placed few videos of Serbs who left Croatia in 1995. after they were defeated in Operation Storm. Nobody hides anything. This Operation is celebrated every year: 5th August, normally accepted as Victory Day in Croatia, EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_(Croatia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm Only you see the problems.... Someone had to return 18.4 % of territory which was taken, occupied in 1991. What is your fishing aim here? To make this clear, your final aim is always: Croatia is an evil right-wing state who destroyed my communism. I also tried to create an theme about the prerequisites of Yugoslav creation, establishment. But you don't understand anything. The first prerequisite of Yugoslavia is this: SLAV...on the other hand, I ask you, how many authentic Slavs Yugoslavia has? Through real Slavic origins? Observe in which situation Ante Pavelic started to think about Croatian exit from Kingdom of Yugoslavia. After they killed this poet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Šufflay Obviously not someone who is Slavic..more Hungarian - Austro - Germanic. "The reaction to the sentence was stronger abroad than in Croatia, as scientific colleagues from numerous countries tried to obtain his release but without success. He did his time in the Sremska Mitrovica prison. After serving over half of his sentence, he was released from prison in 1922 and he returned to his scientific work." The worlds scientists protested against Yugoslav cruelty. I am sure that you will skip this part kindly and gently as all communists. This Sremska Mitrovica prison was also an concentration camp in different wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sremska_Mitrovica_Prison I even placed videos of expelled Serbs, no one is hurt about that. EU supports the celebration because of that. Only one who is hurt here is you, because we mock on your communists who abolished this "virtue" and ended mostly as far-right figures in 90's. I already said: Croatia is an state of people with different origins, not only with Germanic origins, also they have Slavic, Latin (later Italian), with some percent of Hungarian descent. Many people in northern and eastern Croatia really have Austrian, German origins. Through them, Germany entered in Kingdom of Yugoslavia, so that they can divide them in certain zones. Tudjman is one of your convinced communists who started to switching sides in 80's, 90's. Read his biography.... You will enjoy it. When he and his wife left in Belgrade, and worked there in Yugoslav institutions, children born in Belgrade. The father of Tudjman was an atheist, attracted with Soviet ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Tuđman "Tuđman's mother was a devout Catholic, unlike his father and stepmother. His father, like Stjepan Radić, had anticlerical attitudes and young Franjo adopted his views." They are with Slavic origins. Only this - man ending isn't entirely Slavic. Mostly Austrians, Germans have - man at the end. Even your Josip Broz has an unusual surname: Broz, Ambroz, Ambrose...it also doesn't so Slavic. But if he could arrive in power as Slavist, bring it on. He is responsible for Foibe, no one else. He liberated Istra from Italians. Historic fact. Really silly discussion. Keep protecting your right - wing Serbs called Chetniks, communist Serbs....peaceful group.
We could discuss about Foibe. We could also discuss about the numerous families who had problems thanks to your communism. So, you are blaming Ustase for Foibe, the Movement who is formed in Italy. Let's see how this might end. Croatian right-wing people cleansed right-wing Italians? Ustase became communists? Obscure attempts of historic forgery. Don't you think that Croatian nationalists who made Foibe would form an Nationalistic State of Croatia instead of Communist Yugoslavia with Croatia brought inside this state? Ante Pavelic was in alliance with Italy. Why Yugoslavia wanted to pay the damage to Italy if they were so innocent as communist state? 1983. three years after your Tito died. Why Tito could not pay the damages to Italy. Because I agree that this damage should be paid to descendants, after all they were victims of communism, Yugoslavia. After all, Italians are of Latin descent, just like me and my ancestors. But I would assist to all others victims of communism: Hungarians, Slavs (Croats, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes), Germans, Austrians...
Liberation of Istria, purely an act of anti-fascist units, or communists. https://www.istra-istria.hr/index.php?id=860 "The National Liberation Committee (NOO) of Istria made the resolution on the liberation of Istria and its annexation to Croatia on 13 September 1943. Seven days after, on 20 September 1943, the Land Anti-Fascist Council of the National Liberation of Croatia (ZAVNOH) confirmed these resolutions. At the Istrian Parliament, the representatives of Istria confirmed the resolution of 13 September 1943 in Pazin on 25 September 1943, and they made the final decision on the total secession from Italy and the annexation to Croatia in the new Yugoslavia." "The German October offensive in 1943 temporarily suffocated the anti-fascist movement in the Istrian area. However, it was soon revitalised and reorganized. At the beginning of May 1945, as part of final operations of liberation of the entire South Slav area, Istria was liberated as well. On 9 May 1945, there were no more enemy units in the areas of Istria and the Slovenian coast." "Istria made a large contribution to the victory of the anti-fascist forces. In the war period from autumn of 1943 to May 1945, there were 28,754 active Istrian fighters. About 5,000 perished on various battlefields, and there were 5,802 civilian victims. At the same time, 21,509 persons were taken to concentration camps, additional 14,867 civilians were imprisoned. 5,567 residential and public facilities were burnt down and destroyed." "Immediately after the Yugoslav Army entered the towns, the National Liberation Committees took over the rule, which was prepared in the last months of the war. This tumultuous period characterized by large-scale turmoil, was marked by the unnecessary and the extremely sad exodus of one part of the autochthonous Istrian population, which caused new changes in the demographic picture of Istria. It was a time of immigration for both the Italian and the Croatian population, followed by the arrests of prominent individuals." As you can see Totti Fan, Istria doesn't have Croatian Parliament, it's Istrian Parliament, just like Istrian National Theatre. Your second main historic forgery about Croatian nationalists, Ustase, who liberated Istra, Rijeka (Fiume), Trieste. History knows who liberated those parts: Yugoslav Army. Otherwise, Croatian coat of arm would be placed on the flag during Yugoslavia, not some pointy red star. Serbian official coat of arm has the royal crown from their Yugoslav Kingdom. That royal crown was placed during WWII. and before, vanished during communism and re-installed after. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia Why would they adore Yugoslav Monarchy, if Serbia was against Yugoslavia. Liberation of Rijeka: https://rijeka2020.eu/en/program/kitchen-of-diversity/festivali/liberated-rijeka/ "This is an international cultural programme centred on the topic of anti-fascism — the fundamental international value of a united Europe." "The exhibition deals with anti-fascist monuments and artistic and scientific practices of preserving their dignity with the aim to problematise revisionism and the normalisation of fascism in a crisis-stricken capitalist society." Why aren't you proud with Yugoslav legacy and liberation of RIjeka (Fiume), Istria and Trieste? Victims were the enemies of Yugoslavia anyways. Liberation of Trieste: https://www.britishpathe.com/video/...098O-1945-LIBERATION-OF-TRIESTE/query/Trieste Short Summary: The 8th Army and Yugoslav Partisans celebrate victory in Trieste in 1945 Description: ITALY: Trieste: EXT ITALY. New Z. troops & Tito's partisans rejoice together in TRIESTE. Standing on tank holding Flag of Liberation. MILITARY (BRITISH). N.Z. troops & Tito's Partisans rejoicing together in TRIESTE. NEW ZEALAND. & Tito's partisans rejoicing in TRIESTE. World War Two, WWII, World War II, Second World War, Allies, war, Allied Forces, Axis, Axis Forces, Eighth Army, marching, march, marches, celebrations Background: The 8th Army and Yugoslav Partisans celebrate victory in Trieste in 1945 Impressions of Gilbertsson: Video shows the red star in 4th second, 10th second with red star and the word Panzano, 15th second we see the magic word of eternal leader Tito, 16th second I see in Serbian: Živela Jugoslavia (Long live Yugoslavia). In Croatian, it would be Živjela. 20th second Yugoslav flag with pointy five star, pokes again... Sorry to say this to you, no sono Partigiano. You should be proud on your accomplishments. Croatian footballers boycotted the World Cup 1930 in Uruguay. https://books.google.hr/books?id=tBOMDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=croats+boycotted+the+world+cup+1930&source=bl&ots=rN_Ogm2XXA&sig=ACfU3U0VzueZtGiNDf19aREYftiJV91n3A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz3oDC-LLnAhUr_CoKHZAMDIYQ6AEwDHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=croats boycotted the world cup 1930&f=false Almost 100 years of struggle against Yugoslavia. With you around and creatures similar to you, the struggle must continue. You will start with western propaganda books. You don't accept any type of literature.
@totti fan @Leonardo Musupic Croatian government avoided to arrive in Rijeka, on the opening ceremony European Capital of Culture 2020 - City of Rijeka, because everyone noticed that there are too many of left - wing ideas. Interesting, ex-socialists rather went in Dubrovnik, St. Blaise manifestation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivity_of_Saint_Blaise,_the_patron_of_Dubrovnik Longer tradition, since 972. year, compared with Red Plague, who is since 1919. in ex-Yugoslavia. Battle in Rijeka (Fiume), 1945. At the end of video, Yugoslav Partisans tricked their captive soldiers and said that they will make photographs. Instead of photos, you see the outcome. Unarmed people. These are brave Partisans. Liberation of Opatija, Partisans again. Istra: 4th Yugoslav Army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Army_(Yugoslav_Partisans) The Army was created on 1 March 1945, when Chief Commander Marshal Josip Broz Tito converted the underground National Liberation Army and Partisan Detachments of Yugoslavia in the more regular Yugoslav Army. Interesting, formed at the end of the war when other powers resolved bigger issues. "As commander was named General lieutenant Petar Drapšin, as Political Commissioner Colonel Boško Šiljegović, and as Chief of staff, Colonel Pavle Jakšić. The Army was formed from the divisions of the 7th Corps (14th and 18th), 8th Corps (9th, 19th, 20th and 26th Dalmatian), 11th Corps (13th, 35th and 43rd) and later also the 9th Corps (30th and 31st). In addition the 4th Army had an Artillery, 1st Tank, Engineer and Replacement Brigade, a Motorized Artillery Battalion and a liaison regiment." Petar Drapšin - Serb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Drapšin Member of this unit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Corps_(Yugoslav_Partisans) "The 8th Corps participated in the liberation of Dalmatia, Herzegovina, western Bosnia, Istria, Kvarner, Lika, Slovenian Littoral, and Trieste." * Operation Ziethen (1943) * Operation Herbstgewitter II (1943) * Operation Rösselsprung (1944) * Operation Knin (1944) * Mostar Operation (1945) Communists fought against Serbian Chetniks, but you never elaborate them as collaborators. Partisan victory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Knin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostar_operation You can stop with forgeries. Croatia (non-communist Croatia) was against Yugoslav Partisans. Always on the opposite side. It was suitable if Serbian Chetniks and Yugoslav Partisans had mutual fights against each other. Yugoslav Partisans started to win after Italian capitulation, after defeats in Stalingrad. Much easier for you, when certain sides among opponents became weaker. I wonder from whom Trieste, Istra, Rijeka were liberated? I don't see anywhere Croatian coat of arm among those liberators. I only see banned football clubs, because they played WWII leagues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HŠK_Građanski_Zagreb Dissolved 6 June 1945 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAŠK Dissolved 4 June 1945; 74 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HŠK_Zrinjski_Mostar "By the end of the Second World War, the Independent State of Croatia had been defeated by the Yugoslav Partisans resistance movement. Zrinjski was among the clubs banned in 1945 for being tools to nationalist propaganda." Observe the belligerents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslavia
@Joe Martelo You mentioned earlier that you believe that no one should be allowed to get very rich. Should Ronaldo be allowed to keep his fortune?