Changing Landscapes - Chicagoland

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by VolklP19, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    Yes, after resisting the idea last year to avoid a long drive and extra costs. Did/does your son play for them?
     
  2. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playing with Guidestar and looking at what soccer clubs receipts and assets

    Evolution
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $1,250,966
    ASSETS
    $362,404

    Galaxy
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $1,699,050
    ASSETS
    $249,390

    Team Chicagp part of Wheatland Township AA
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $3,213,089
    ASSETS
    $4,720,612


    and the kicker

    IYSA

    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $3,041,461
    ASSETS
    $4,886,146

    Couldn't find Eclipse or Sockers
     
  3. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fire South
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $1,098,476
    ASSETS
    $320,185

    Fire City
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $2,405,115
    ASSETS
    $709,105

    Fire West
    GROSS RECEIPTS
    $685,465
    ASSETS
    $183,132
     
  4. mwulf67

    mwulf67 Member+

    Sep 24, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yes, 3rd year running….great program, no regards…a god send actually, given the last couple years we had at SASA…finally made the move to Midstate this year; it has to be better…even if it’s his last season…
     
  5. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    Good to hear. We're still pretty early on (one tournament played), but the club track record is clearly good. My son is considering making it his club team and otherwise just doing HS soccer and running track (no real way to do the local club team and run track, which he wants to do).

    Good luck to your son with Midstate, and beyond. Sorry to hear that about SASA.
     
  6. mwulf67

    mwulf67 Member+

    Sep 24, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I know a few kids who have done that…just CIU, dropping their local club…honestly, I thought it would hurt them in in HS; without dropping names, it clearly has not…

    Good luck to your son as well, maybe we see you around...
     
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  7. smontrose

    smontrose Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Aug 30, 2017
    Illinois, NW Suburb
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fall until xmas was 2 training sessions @90 Minutes, indoor on Saturday, futsal on sundays.
    For last 3 weeks coach allowed a number of kids to double up so that was 5 sessions.
    Since new year 1 training session @ 2 hours, indoor/sat, futsal/sun.
    January and Feb is a real grind...
     
  8. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    Eclipse west sent a few boys team to Vegas but none placed. Fire Juniors sent some younger ('06 - '08) composite boys and girls teams that did well. I think 3 teams they sent won the highest flights.

    Libertyville, CDA, Fire IL, Galaxy, Rush, even Pegasus all sent one or two high school aged teams down to the Disney showcase. I'd be curious to hear what the college coach turnout was. It was a long list of second-tire D3 coaches registered, but there was also a small handful of legit D1 too. I know this showcase has fallen way down the list since GDA has come along... curious to know from anyone who knows someone that participated if it still feels like a college showcase, or just a trip to Disney with a few soccer games thrown in. National League and MRL level clubs used to rely on this showcase for exposure... is that option dead now? Would suck if true.
     
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  9. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    There are a couple of examples of this from our area, too. Two are already playing in college and another will be this fall. I put the question to a juco coach I know -- would this idea hurt my son's soccer -- and said he could make a pretty good case for it being just the opposite. He really likes multi-sport athletes (not sure how universal that is among college coaches, though).
     
  10. Regista

    Regista Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Feb 22, 2019
    TC going to Phoenix in February, seems to be big option also. TC just had a ID showcase in house. I'm wondering if anyone has ever landed something via that? PN was part of it. had to be solid coaches there.

    TC has a pipeline to the MAC, MVC lately.

    Evolution played in Albion, yes the same Albion that had the stampede/faux shooter. The 07 team G fared well vs Rebels ECNL and other national level teams. FC Dallas took the title. 07 G Fire South had beaten FC Dallas in the supercopa last summer.
     
  11. Regista

    Regista Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Feb 22, 2019

    What are the expenses. HA
     
  12. GotSoccerIsDumb

    Fire
    United States
    May 30, 2019
    Good shout. Won't find Sockers, Eclipse, FCU and some others since they're for-profit entities. What shook me was that the Big Ten grosses more than USSF, although maybe I shouldn't be that surprised.

    DON'T PAY THOSE COLLEGE PLAYERS THO!!! lol
     
  13. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    ECNL's Regional League is focused in SoCal, TX, and FL/GA... not new, (nor needed), it started last year. Are you suggesting it may expand around here?
     
  15. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This looks like a new DA second team league. It says DA on on Saturday and DPL on Sunday.
     
  16. GotSoccerIsDumb

    Fire
    United States
    May 30, 2019
    Read closely: its not actually US Soccer running this league. The governing body is actually USSSA. My guess is the clubs must have come together and designed this themselves because USSSA aren't in the business of creating their own leagues on a large scale like USYS or US Club. Honestly not surprised. USYS rules are too rigid to allow the best use of player pools and US Club is already running leagues in these markets with clubs that likely don't want to play nice with the local DA's and don't want to compete with themselves.
     
  17. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    Yeah, brain cramp. I meant to say DPL is basically USSF's (aka GDA's) "regional league", or its "minor league". Yes, it is operated by USSSA, but it is basically a USSFDA licensed product. I didn't mean to confuse it with ECNL's similar offering.

    My basic point was that this is not new-new... it actually began this past fall.
    http://usssasoccer.com/2019/08/02/u...development-player-league-starting-this-fall/

    The ECNL "regional league", a mirror effort, was started a year earlier.
    https://www.eliteclubsnationalleagu...-northeast-conference-for-the-2019-20-season/

    ECNL started their regional league in Texas, and has since expanded into a number of other regions, the Midwest is not one of them, yet.

    The DPL stated where GDA is strongest SoCal and Texas.

    I think both leagues aren't much more than proactive turf wars meant to solidify GDA's dominance in SoCal and ECNL's dominance in other places.

    Both of these efforts further dilute other regional leagues... so the Midwest Regional League is still an ok regional league for folks around here, but I believe any national level competitions that MRL may funnel into have been diluted by these GDA-2 and ECNL-2 leagues.
     
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  18. GotSoccerIsDumb

    Fire
    United States
    May 30, 2019
    Honestly I think this type of league would be good for us. USYS is too watered down and restrictive for club management. Bring in a platform that offers the scheduling flexibility/club control that US Club has without the club ties that NISL has to Sockers. It would still allow HS soccer and State Cup play. Bring in clubs like TC, Galaxy, Inter, 74, combined CFJs, WI Bavarians, SC Wave and you've got pretty steady competition level. All games able to be played on the day with no required overnights. Provides the college exposure of the national showcases and playoffs and you can still go attend tournaments and showcases on top of it.

    To me, it would have all the benefits of US Club's NPL, USYS Regional League and qualifiers for a national final, and all those college showcase tournaments like NCFC or PDT. Only thing is it would mean some clubs will have to work together to make it fly. If it could happen in SoCal, Texas and SE why not Northern Illinois/Southern WI?

    Just like Illinois government politics, Illinois soccer politics blow.
     
  19. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    DPL is exclusive to clubs that are member clubs in the Girls Development Academy. So that's why it wouldn't work here, and probably why they have only focused on areas where GDA is strong and an attractive brand.

    As for the ECNL regional league, all of those regional divisions, with one exception (Virginia), consist entirely of existing ECNL clubs. That restriction isn't a problem in the areas you can see on this map where there are 6-10 ECNL clubs within 50 - 100 miles of each other. Check out how close these ECNL clubs are clustered:
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    We all know Chicago has only been blessed with one ECNL club. So a tight cluster of ECNL clubs doesn't exist in the third largest U.S. metro area.

    It is interesting that ECNL expanded by taking over the Virginia Premier League which previously competed in the NPL. This division is made up entirely of non-ECNL clubs. That might be an interesting model for our area... but the folks that could make that happen might find it easier to continue running a single powerful ECNL club that naturally gets the best players from those local clubs you mentioned, allowing them to go after national titles year after year?

    Chicagoland soccer would be a better off if all those clubs you mentioned could remain relevant past U13. It is a shame many break apart.
     
  20. Regista

    Regista Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Feb 22, 2019
    Most parents I know at u13,u14 level have no problems moving their kids to a new club despite success at their current club.

    It's about exposure for the top level players at top clubs. It's about the sticker for low or mid level players parents at the same club. Play time for the ones with low-mid level kids who have more interest than the parents.

    Beyond TC- inter, galaxy, glsa provide no exposure unless they luck out with one team with three top players who are loyal and won't move because of team dynamic/chemistry.

    TC's teams are recruited basically, offer exposure to showcases, and connected by PN to colleges. No one else compares at the MRL level. So when inter, galaxy, evo get a signing and post on twitter it's a step but their infrastructure to compete even w/ TC is way behind. No one is going to look at these clubs enough at the recruiting level. They are hoping that top players stick together.

    Astute parents with top level kids know that so they move on to eclipse,fcu etc. Mid level kids with aspirations at current top clubs can go to TC and get recruited. if these clubs banded together in a new showcase level league, things could change.
     
  21. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    That ECNL Regional League map I posted above is already dated. In the past week or two ECNL has announced a Hearland (IA, MO, NE, KS) division as well as a Carolinas (NC, SC) division. Both include clubs that are already have ECNL badges, as well as some that do not.

    Here is an interesting article about how the Heartland division will effect Missouri's State Cup competition and clubs in the St Louis area.
    https://soccerstl.net/2020/01/23/ecnl-heartland-league-likely-to-impact-state-cup/

    Is anyone hearing of ECNL Regional League even being whispered around here?
     
  22. Ryan7852

    Ryan7852 Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Mar 24, 2019
    Any news on where DD went?

    Still find this to be so curious...
     
  23. lncolnpk

    lncolnpk Member+

    Mar 5, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    TC hasn’t placed anyone big lately. The 2019 class was disappointing. We will see if Phil turns it around.

    BTW, you all know my daughter’s story about her TC coach basically mocking her to make her leave and then cutting her after telling us he wasn’t. Well she got to do a coach’s evaluation at her new club. She thanked her coach for believing and trusting her. She stated she learned more this year than her previous 4 yrs at TC. At the end she was in tears writing it because she truly appreciated what her coach has done for her.

    Again, this is not one of the top level coaches at TC.
     
  24. Chicagoland Soccer Source

    Barca
    United States
    Jan 23, 2018
    I heard he is starting his own training academy.
     
  25. Ryan7852

    Ryan7852 Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Mar 24, 2019
    Appreciate the info.

    Interesting. Makes sense. He’ll kill it.

    Any ideas why he left?
     

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