Dejavu? The 2020 off Season, catch-all discussion thread.

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  1. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, that does free us up to sell Canouse (boo!) - but we are so packed at central midfield already.

    The thing I always liked about Gressel (unless he was playing against us) was his ability to find himself uncovered coming in late at the top of the box for an uncontested pass or rebound. We've missed that for a while - I suppose we'll soon find out if that ability was up to the player or the formation/style.
     
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  2. 79United

    79United Member

    Apr 10, 2000
    SW DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps up top next to Kamara as a withdrawn striker?
     
  3. Alejandro 10

    Alejandro 10 Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Rooney's not here to coach Ben on that learning curve.
     
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  4. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Que?

    Are we talking about Gressel here?
     
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  5. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure Ben Olsen remembers where he lined up Asad and Arriola all the way back in *checks notes* 2018.
     
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  6. Kenobi

    Kenobi Member

    Jul 11, 1999
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #731 Kenobi, Jan 21, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2020
    4-2-3-1?

    Kamara
    Arriola - Flores - Gressel
    Martins - Moreno
    Mora - Birnbaum - Brilliant - Canouse/Fisher/OA/??
    Hamid
    Asad, Segura, Boateng, Pines, whoever's not playing RB and a buncha teenagers on the bench. Not exactly a lineup that will strike fear into the hearts of the MLS elite, but definitely starting to look like one that could win a playoff game (and might actually, for once, have some depth for squad rotation – if Olsen ever figures out what that is).
     
  7. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see Gressel as a wide player.
     
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  8. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :eek:
     
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  9. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I am not sure that Gressel is that forward/attacking of a player. In that lineup, he's a RB playing good solid D and racing down the wing actually suited to play how Berhalter wants to misuse Tyler Adams IMO. I am a fan of the Gressel move.
     
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  10. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think United's likely best 11 if they keep Ben's 4-2-3-1 is:

    Hamid
    Mora Birnbaum Brilliant Gressel
    Moreno Felipe
    Asad Flores Arriola
    Kamara

    Bench: Seitz, Pines, Fisher, Segura, Canouse (kind of strange to think that Canouse may not be part of DC United's best XI right now, but here we are), Sorga, ??? (OA, Yow, someone else?).

    If Ben changes formations, who knows what might happen. But Gressel will be on the field somewhere in it.

    I'd say the team still needs another forward and more backline cover, but the Gressel acquisition definitely moves the needle.
     
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  11. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Goff tweeted earlier that Ben is not married to the 4231 ... so that's good IMO.
     
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  12. OldTownFan

    OldTownFan Member

    D.C. United
    United States
    Nov 17, 2017
  13. Kenobi

    Kenobi Member

    Jul 11, 1999
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He played there for Atlanta from time to time, and provided a number of his assists from that spot. Plus, that would put a very solid defensive player farther up the field, which you know plays right into the Bennyball approach.
     
  14. OldTownFan

    OldTownFan Member

    D.C. United
    United States
    Nov 17, 2017
    Here is Pablo Maurer on the topic (from a Q&A on The Athletic).

    "Yeah, it's tough to say at the moment where Ben will play him - obviously he's comfortable out wide and also in that central attacking role; he does have that bit of experience on the backline, as well, but my conversations today have led me to believe that DCU see him almost entirely as an attacking piece. I'm keen to see where the staff deploy him."
     
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  15. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this qualifies as GAM,TAM, Thank you ma’am.

    James
     
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  16. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    3-5-2 with Arriola and Gressel as wingbacks. Birnbaum/Brillant/Pines across the back with Maund or some TBD as backup. Asad - Moreno/Canouse - Martins/Segura in the middle. Flores behind Kamara with Sorga as backup to Kamara and Asad as backup to Kamara.
     
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  17. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Realize that in the 3-4-2 I proffered, the odd man out is Mora who is one of the best defenders DCU has. Maybe he plays in the back 3 to provide more mobility than Brillant, but that means Pines has a steep and quick learning curve.
     
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  18. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Also think the Gressel acquisition means that one of Moreno/Martins/Canouse or Segura gets moved. Canouse or Moreno has the most upside and value.
     
  19. yabo

    yabo Member+

    Jun 1, 2000
    Poolesville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hope you're satisfied
     
  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dunno if you necessarily want to move one of Moreno/Martins/Canouse. You need cover for when Moreno is gone for Copa America, or for card accumulation (hi Felipe) or injury.
     
  21. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    I still can't believe it

    When all is said and done...sometime in the distant future when Kasper gets dethroned/fired/retires I'll remember this as one his most ambitious acquisitions.

    Gressel is magical and it's ridiculously exciting to have him on the squad
     
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  22. Cweedchop

    Cweedchop Member+

    Mar 6, 2000
    Ellicott City, Md
    Have you met Ben Olsen??
     
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  23. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Is this Gressel’s mom talking?
     
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  24. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    Interesting little tidbit from the Post article.
    This seems to tease another major signing...

    ---

    “I think it’s a real healthy thing,” Olsen said. “The owners have been very supportive of what we want to do and the players we want to bring in.”

    Kasper echoed those sentiments.

    “Our ambitions as a club continue to grow,” he said. “Coming off two good years of making the playoffs, we want to continue to build a roster that is talented and can compete for trophies.”

    The four-time champions have not won MLS Cup since 2004 and haven’t advanced to the conference finals since 2012. The last playoff victory came in 2015.

    United does not appear to be done.

    “In the next couple weeks, you’ll know very clearly who our team is and what we are going to be about,” Olsen said. “We are not necessarily looking to the summer or two months from now to make this team whole. We are going to go for it.”

    ---

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/21/julian-gressel-dc-united-atlanta-united-mls-trade/
     
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  25. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am astonished at how little Atlanta paid Gressel. He might chafe a bit under Olsen's "tutelage," but he'll love paydays.
     
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