I think it's a half informed snob reaction. hey-dude hustled up and back and so to a certain sort of aesthete he is off putting. people forget hey-dude was with Bayer Leverkusen around when Donovan was, and saw more first team games than he did. he did come back to MLS and to some that is anathema. but he was in europe 4-5 years. probably because of the work rate. though he would get assists people forget about. this to me is one blind spot of the snobs. it's odd to like adams and not hejduk. this debate actually underlines to me how much of this is a beautification project presenting itself as an effort to win. heydude and dolo were defensive beasts who could also attack, but more of a german work rate thing that isn't fashionable now. we're trending more pretty for pretty's sake so dest, even if you give up defense and work rate. it's not even that heydude and dolo didn't cross the ball well. whether dest can whack a shot if he gets forward should be secondary to seeing the field as a defender. makes my point for me.
people forget he was a 2014 sub and often used upfield and thus not as a routine fullback. the gaffes have piled up after someone decided time to take him seriously as a defender. we quit using him as a "slash" who could also offensively sub, and i started hearing how x coach had fixed him, which sounds interesting right up to the regular "went to sleep" glitches.
Against most CONCACAF competition we can afford to have them both line up on the right side and kick arse with their speed. Against better quality opponents I would start whoever is playing better defensively at that moment.
sorry, no, you're not going far enough. this is bootstrapping. false on its face. Newcastle has been relegated twice the past decade, last was in Europa 12-13 (before Yedlin), last was in CL 03-04. they are not a "CL team." they are closer to yoyo team these days. the game is, since they are a bottom half EPL side, play up that they "play against CL teams." everyone in any first division in europe plays against some CL teams. it doesn't mean you are that level. it means your league makes you play everyone, good or bad. it means the competition is structured where someone is deemed the "champions" worthy of CL. in this case, clearly not you. trying to make that into success by association is the worst sort of intellectual bootstrapping. watford "plays CL teams." watford is bottom EPL. watford even played arsenal and spurs to ties a couple games. one could call that "acquitting itself well." for all the value that has. they've won 1 game all season. even if he was a CL player, these arguments usually amount to, he was dressed for the CL, not that they watched and he did well. the "but he plays for a CL team so he must be awesome" people typically don't know what they are talking about. seeing CL group minutes often means you are second string. they are midweek squad rotation games usually. CL games (FA Cup too for that matter) are often treated like USOC here. second string, kids, and then just enough talent to try and squeeze by. rest the starters for league ball. bring them out in the spring knockout rounds when hopefully you also have a league points margin to play with.
That’s a bit hyperbolic. Dest showed promise on the left. And for an 18 year old, first cap, at the time - undecided about his national team, and a dumpster fire squad he’s playing for; the poor moments he had were not indicative that he doesn’t belong there. Besides, what’s the alternative? Lovitz? I’d put a 90 year old grandma out there before I would ever voluntarily play Lovitz.
[ignore part where player got megged on a cross for a goal by mexico in a loss. deem reference to such mistakes "hyperbolic." try to make the person who points out mistakes look like the fool.] [reference a stupid choice at LB. limit universe to that stupid choice. mock stupid choice like it's the only possible one. run out there guy who got burned twice when playing on left.]
Look, in no way, was I going out of my way to insult, mock, etc. you. But I can point out where I don’t agree with you and where I saw fault in your argument. It’s fine if you don’t agree. In addition, the comment about Lovitz is that Berhalter clearly does not value anyone else at LB other than him. So, if it’s comes between Dest(L)-Yedlin(R) vs Lovitz(L)-Dest(R)... that’s a no brainer, IMO.
yeah and he is fast or was then but what was the end product...he´s a worse option upfield than back on defense anyway...I remember he had a great World Cup but I think it was more element of surprise (something that GB´s system will NEVER have...unless he is just mindf·ckin us all...which will make me happy) bottomline his offensive skills have never been up to par to be a significant contirubtor to the offense...si his speed and danger dont mean a whole lot vs good competition....BUT they are more useful than almost everything else out there....SO...like I said keep including him buit dont take his inclusion for granted (especially just b/c of epl experience)
This is a big tangle of the question: Do you play your best players at their best position? Do you play your best players at their best position, even if they can play another position well, and the guy replacing him is a lot better than the guy the best player replaced?
This is reminiscent of the John O'Brien arguments we had here in the 2002 timeframe. To me, the key question was: where is that he could impact the game most as one of our best players when uninjured? I believed that O'Brien should move to a more central midfield role while others thought he should be our LB, where we had limited options and where he played for Ajax. The difference between left and right wing/back seems less stark that with o'brien and I think he can impact the game on both sides. Therefore, I'd lean toward having him on the left and Yedlin on the right. I'd note that I like both of them as wingers in a 352 though as that accentuates their strengths and moderates their development areas.
No, if you havenot got a wealth of choices team wide. You play him where he has the best impact on the team as a whole. National teams are teams of do with what you got. So if you got a very good player for a certain position, but it gives the lesser composition of the team with what's available and a better team shifting him to another spot, you obviously do the last. A team wins, unless that guy goes by the name Maradona.
Dude. FFS... if you are going to hang your hat on that example, I don’t know what to tell ya. Even world class players get megged or shown up at times.. and you are going to use that against a teenager, probably with nerves since it’s one of his first games?
the whole concept of judging a player based on a single play is idiotic. I’m not even sure a single game (good or bad) should define a player rather than a body of work and general trends. Next, defensive players get beat - the test is how they bounce back.
Much like late last season under Benitez, it looks like Steve Bruce has moved Manquillo ahead of Deandre on the depth chart. SB: "I thought Manquillo was our best player today against arguably one of the best wide players in Europe in Zaha. Yedlin has been fit and so has Kraft but how can I leave him out the team? He's performing fantastically." pic.twitter.com/TYR4qGrhdI— Newcastle United FC (@NUFC) December 21, 2019
So, in the future, when we have depth at every position, will this turn into what every player discussion forum on BS may turn into? Who is better at whatever position; why are they not playing(insert one of the many USMNT players that missed a game that weekend); and surmise which American, or Euro/SA coach should be guiding our Nats? Or is it that way already? Merry and a Happy!
Truth is, even at his best Yedlinny has been barely good enough for a Premiership defender, and kept the job longer than expected due to his collaborations for the attack.
The answer Steffen Yedlin (>Cannon), Brooks, Miazga or Long, Dest McKennie, Adams Pulisic, ? , Morris Sargent
Yedlin gives you more stability in the back 4, Dest is prone to defensive lapses but has a nice offensive game. They’re kinda opposites so a lot will depend on the opponent and the left wings of that team
Yep. LW could be any of Morris/Weah/Arriola/Boyd depending on matchup and who is hot, but I agree right now that it would be Morris based on current form unless there was a specific matchup that favored Arriola. And Julian Green at that 10 spot for now, until/unless someone else (Pomykal?) takes it from him.
There aren't many better wingers around. Zaha just gets less credit because he plays in a worse team. If he was at a top team and playing with better players he would be noticed far more
Yedlin's main asset is of course his pace which is very useful in club football where the speed of the game is faster and more frenetic. International football is far slower paces where you need to concentrate when defending and I feel this is where Yedlin lets himself down
Dest, at the moment, is a better RW for the US than a RFB. If we play in a 5 at all, he's very good at a RWB/RWM, but he is still not defensively savvy enough. But he's young, has a very good club coach and seems eager. His touch is so much better than DY's, but DY has a bit more defensive experience. (and will be coming off injury.) Cannon cannot be left out of the convo either.
Cannon should be starting, and then Dest over Yedlin, both problematic but Yedlin is old enough it's naive to believe he could fix it. i think the idea is the other two "get forward" but if you look at who of the 3 had NT assists last year it's not the one of them you think. i also think there is a hint of snobbery about how this competition gets portrayed because Cannon was YNT also, UCLA, FCD academy, and if you believe the rumors is in demand over in Europe just the same. as with adams the proxy heuristics might be overcome by the facts within 1-2 years.