FIU is boiling over, or burnt, she is in the last year of her contract and rather then make a change now will see it through,
Two good options and both are probably on the table. If MP wants to return to the west coast this would be a great time to do it. Asst at a P12 program that is likely to remain relevant would help with the next step. OTOH, if she likes Philly and is happy being in the mix for an Ivy title once every five years or so, staying put is a good option. Both more attractive options than the Cornell HC job, right?
there is a reason her assistants keep leaving they see the writing on the wall. I would expect she will be out after the next season.
I didn't think either of their last two AC's left for soccer reasons, and both moves were family related? At least that was the chatter I heard. Either way, if they don't find a way to win a few more games, you may be right.
Not beating a dead horse but I spike with a player I coach who is committed to Lincoln Memorial - she hasn't heard of any coaching change....totally clueless. I'm not saying anyone is wrong about the change, or that current players haven't been told......but if it is true, usually coaches will call incoming players before it becomes public
Thx so much for that HouseofCards!! I can pass this on to my player ......wish it had come from the HC
Coaches (head or assistants) should consider contacting previous coaches (fired or got other jobs) prior to saying yes to a job. Otherwise they have no idea what they are getting into with players or admin. You can listen or not.... but I assume (maybe I am wrong) not enough do this. Better to know what you are walking into especially since coaches don't seem to last long at any school anymore.
Admin might have instructed coach not to. Admin at the schools should be held accountable in these situations also.
Not sure how much you've ever coached before. I've known very few coaches who would be allowed to do this. Why would a school risk a coach telling incoming recruits about them departing? They can't control what's said, they could risk recruits leaving. I mean, recruits could end up leaving anyway and that can't be truly controlled. But, the last thing an institution will want is for a coach to talk in person or via email to a recruit about their next move. Best case scenario is to have an assistant (if possible) continue the recruiting processes to ensure recruits stay with the program.
Since it’s long after signing day, anyone already signed has very little recourse, other than requesting a release from their NLI obligation, which only the school can permit. So really, there’s no reason to not be straightforward with recruits, whether it’s the outgoing HC, admin, or the assistant. If you really want signed kids finding out on websites and social media, that’s pretty low class. in the case of unsigned kids (late 2020/2021) do you really think they’re not going to find out at some point before they sign? Why not be up front and control the narrative.
ThePonchat - have you ever coached college? As I've said, letting signed players know is very common. If the resignation is a done deal, the current players have been informed.....then the next step is usually to let signed players know . As PoetryInMotion correctly said "That's pretty low class".....who knows, it may prevent a club coach from informing a player that their future college coach actually has moved on. Any ideas on what jobs may actually come available in the next month?
What you suggest probably is not a bad idea but if a coach, assistant or HC, has been fired, anything said is going to be tempered by that. Personally I would view anything said by a fired coach with a great degree of skepticism. More often than not there's going to be some spite in the response that may or may not be justified.
Why actually, I have. And I’m very involved with many college athletes and programs. Not sure why you think that it’s common practice. Emails and work phones are immediately taken. Do you think football coaches contact all 24-40 players who may be coming to their programs in the fall? Do you think a car salesman, insurance salesman, or home loan agents contact their clients informing them they are leaving while going to a “rival” employer? Definitely not. If anything, it’s somewhat frowned upon because a program could potentially lose those players with that coach (as I alluded to earlier).
LMU didn’t fire their head coach, so we can throw that comparison out. I agree, if a coach is relieved of his duties a phone call from that fired coach is most often not appropriate, though I think the interim or someone should make contact at some point. To your point, I guess if a Head Coach has the class and mentality of a car salesman or home loan agent and is only in it to advance their career and not for the personal coach-player relationship, or the personal aspect of the recruiting process and only self-serving, then maybe they don’t make that call. But other than that, if you are resigning (and this is from someone who has resigned to take a position at a higher level) to improve your career or just making a life change (leaving coaching, etc) and you’ve had players commit (and/or sign) to play for you, you ABSOLUTELY owe them a phone call. And if you don’t have the class or gumption to do that yourself, the staff under you or admin does owe them a phone call, for sure. I honestly don’t know a situation that would excuse an outgoing head coach (leaving on their own accord) from taking time to call committed and/or signed players to let them know they’re leaving. Especially signed players, who as I mentioned, are protected from being able to transfer. I don’t know any AD that would instruct an outgoing coach who has built these relationships to not contact these commits. I guess MAYBE unsigned players under a certain circumstance, but that’s it. No excuse someone from the class of 2020 shouldn’t have received a phone call in this instance. Just as an outgoing head coach would tell their current players in person that she/he is leaving, they owe the same to their signed players. Anything less is low class and really inexcusable on every level. Letting players find out via social media or another schools release is really, really poor. (Not saying that happened here, but any instance in which it has happened or to insinuate it’s appropriate is ludicrous). there’s nothing wrong with looking out for #1, advancing your career or putting your family first, but have the class to reach out to people who picked your school because of you, just like you’d have the class to stand in a locker room and tell your team you’ve chosen to leave for greener pastures. Again, SIGNED players cant be poached or can’t just play elsewhere at NCAA schools without the school they’ve signed at granting permission or releasing them. Period.
If a coach is fired, the coach may reach out on their own. Maybe not. If the coach leaves for another job, nearly everyone would reach out to the incoming players to let them know personally. It is the correct and classy thing to do. If the schools compete for the same type of student athlete, it could get sticky, but that’s life. Players leave with a coach on occasion. If the player was headed to a school because of the staff, they’ll likely leave. Not saying that’s a smart way to choose, but it is part of the equation and does happen. If, however, they were headed there because of the school, they’ll stay. Simple as that.
Ponchat - like the other posters said, your right, if a coach is fired chances are they aren't calling signed recruits . You're just wrong in the case of a coach voluntarily moving on.....they DO make calls or as other posters noted, they should. And to answer your previous question - yes I've coached college.....actually been a head coach at D3, D2 and am currently a HC at D1.......for well over 20 years......I don't know everything and aren't always right, but yes I do have some experience/knowledge . Interesting to see how he does at L-Monroe