The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

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  1. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Rudd was a bull but he had plenty of skill.
     
  2. gunnerfan7

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3277 gunnerfan7, Jan 13, 2020
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    If we're talking pure POACHING, the answer has to be Wondolowski. Dempsey was a far better all-around player, and arguably the best US goalscorer for club and country, but he was far more than a poacher. He was a skillful midfielder with a cannon shot (see goal vs. Stoke) and skill (see chip vs Juventus, or turn vs. Turkey). Most of his career wasn't as a forward, poaching goals. That was simply the last stage of his career.

    Wondo was an average athlete in his prime, a late-bloomer, and someone who never developed the shooting ability nor skills that could turn him into a striker that could even approach someone like Dempsey's level. But what he does is get on the end of balls in the 6-yard box for no good reason (he's not out-jumping or out-muscling anyone) with a consistency that's incredible. That's why he was praised by Lampard after the MLS All-Star game, and why he was on hand to miss that JJ knockdown vs. Belgium.

    Nowadays, as he's gotten older, he's had to rely even more on simply being in the right place at the right time. His endurance and athleticism has declined, and yet he still posts 10+ goal seasons on decent and poor Quakes teams, including being the top US Goalscorer in MLS at the ripe old age of 36.

    The way I look at it, Wondo shouldn't have been successful at all, yet had success for a decade ONLY because of poaching. Dempsey's goals weren't usually poachers goals, and he was a far better, multi-talented player.
     
  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    AJ had skill but definitely closer to a veal calf than bull even when healthy.
     
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  4. USA-Zebuel

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    Mar 26, 2013
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    He is on BS
     
  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    O/T but I kinda wonder how Wondo might have done in Europe considering his sustained success over the past decade. Could he have done well in the Championship or in Belgium?
     
  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Sure, but I'd argue his output was greater than his skill, at the end of the day. His physicality and his bull-headed attack elevated very decent skill to star levels.
     
  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Dempsey was quite capable of creating his own chances.

    A typical poacher needs someone else to create chances for him.

    Because of the typical style the USA plays, where team comes before individual, we've seldom have poachers last long with the NT.

    Twellman is probably the best poacher we've had, which is not to say much.
     
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  8. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Agree 100%. It's why Demps, even though a very good poacher, had to play in the midfield/withdrawn/playmaking role - he had too many other skills.

    Now, if we had a stacked midfield, full of guys better than Demps, would he have ended up as a "pure" striker? - when we get a parallel universe, I'm gonna pitch we get that one!
     
  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I forgot Twellman. He belongs on the list as well.
     
  10. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey created his own chances at times, but was still our best poacher. Aggressive, great instincts, and strong in the air.
     
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Plus, he never gave up!
     
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  12. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Except when he got that hang-dog look and his body language told us all he was done...
     
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  13. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Ireland Republic
    155 goals in 320 games for the Quakes, for a guy who couldn't really pass, never dribbled or shot from distance, didn't have much in the way of hold-up play, etc. That's a poacher all over. Like Inzaghi, he can't really play football, he's just always in the right place. ;)

    And he's every bit as productive as he was when he joined the Quakes 10 years ago (those stats include 15 goals in 32 games last season), in a league that's a damn sight better than it was in 2009.
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Wondo at the NT level scored 11 goals.

    Of those:

    3 against Cuba
    3 against Belize
    2 against Guatemala
    2 against South Korea's B team in a Camp Cupcake
    1 against Mexico

    So he only scored one goal against a strong rival. Dempsey also played that game and, as usual against Mexico, everything he tried failed to go.

    That moment, Beltran to Bradley to Wondo, when he swept the ball into the net in typical poacher fashion, was Chris's zenith.

    But I don't think it's enough to call him a poacher for the NT.
     
  15. mace

    mace Member+

    Indy 11
    United States
    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    Wondo, oh Wondo,
    You poacher extraordinaire-o,
    But in the battle of battles,
    With Timmy’s posts rattled,
    A sitter you launched into the strato
     
  16. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    The Sargent thread is talking about Dempsey & Wondo; the Soto thread is discussing Haji and Agudelo; and the Dest thread is about to descend into a debate on the geopolitics of the Middle East.

    Must be January at BS.
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    That plus the injuries.

    The only guys looking ace are playing in third divisions, at this point.
     
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  18. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
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    Right. Not even fair to consider him as in the same universe as Dempsey.
     
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  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    two footed
     
  20. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    yet
     
  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    All I want from Sargent is 7 league goals a season for a decade.
     
  22. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So sad that it happened like that, too. I felt like I was the only person in the bar where I was watching that was excited when Wondo came in, and when that ball was falling to him I just knew he would send it home. Alas, it was the team that got sent home.
     
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  23. Bite o' the Cherry

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    May 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC, USA
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  24. frankburgers

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    May 31, 2016
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  25. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    If only this was on TV. Would be fun to watch our boy until Reyna hopefully makes his debut.
     
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