Crystal Palace v. The Arsenal, Saturday January 11 1230 GMT

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Ironically there is very little to stop them doing that so long as they bet offshore
     
  2. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    To be fair Robertson got the ball first in a 50 50 challenge.
     
  3. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    Because he is white indigenous from the home islands playing for Pool! I know some don't want to hear that but it's the truth.
     
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  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Jitters, you have a disciple. You should, confidentially, send him a book.
     
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  5. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    So your saying there isn't FA, ref or media bias against black players especially foreign black players in the PL? Cmon man. It's an us vs them, in vs out conscious and subconscious bias. UKIP and little England teams like Burnely and Norwich are lauded and allowed to get away with murder while Arsenal are always crapped on by the refs. Its inherent bias why because of our footballing identity and what we represent. Rant over I will discuss the match now.
     
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  6. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You aren’t getting the joke. Jitty has been saying for years that the FA is incredibly corrupt and biased. I’m saying he now has a disciple.

    I offer no opinion on whether this theory is correct.
     
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  7. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things started too well. It seems Arsenal only have a very limited capacity for optimism and good play before reverting to shit. This was a very late Arsene Wenger game, aside from actually scoring when they had their dominate spell.
     
  8. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    A late Wenger performance even Away is miles of improvement compared to the Emery-Freddie era. This season is for the birds, I suspect us to be inconsistent have improvements and setbacks. This rebuild will take awhile. Klopp had Pool in 8th his first season. I believe we will finish 7-10th i believe we should focus on Europa.

    Turning point of the match was LT being injured in the 30th when Zaha took out Pepe as well. From then on CP and the crowd took over.
     
  9. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Its still a very Arsene Wenger team to be fair. Even signings like Luiz and Papa scream Wenger purchase.

    The luxury I afforded Emery applies to Arteta as well. We have to give him a few transfer windows to clear out the trash. The difference is we can already see what Arteta wants the team to do just lacks the players to do it.

    A few better players in a handful of positions sees us 2 or 3 up at HT and thats before a squad overhaul.
     
  10. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Emery deserved NOTHING based on his previous track record. I swear on my Mothers Mother I do not understand how Raul Sannlehhi still has a job. How do you look at Emery and want to extend him? This is still maddening to me.

    Emery is a coward, he was one at PSG and never changed, again hiring him was a huge mistake and thankfully it's over with but to say he deserved anything my word he deserved to be fired before he was even hired. He was arguably the worst decision made post-Wenger and that's saying a lot when looking at some of the suspect transfers we made and are now stuck with.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    .it only took 13 years!
     
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  12. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did? :cautious: Doesn't look like it from any of the pics/video I've seen.
     
  13. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Ozil’s deficiencies were offensive in this game. Who scored credited him with two tackles, so he appears to have been working on the defensive side of the game. His lack of defensive effort is what he is most often criticized for.
     
  14. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Martinelli’s not black, but your theory about foreign players could explain why Tompkins only got a yellow for his tackle on him. The tackle was clearly reckless endangerment. Had Martinelli’s studs been planted in the turf, Tompkins would have broken his leg, Tompkins whole passed beneath Martinelli.
     
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  15. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Criticism of Özil is generally bad faith in nature.
     
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  16. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Statistically is 2 tackles a lot for a forward, for a 10? Honest question.
     
  17. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We had one player record more in this match.

    There’s no real way to answer your question definitively, though. There are a lot of variables.
     
  18. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    I think it is. Forwards or 10s don't really tackle, be the "first defender" yes. Track back yes, win the ball back yes but tackle no not really. Unless you have a team who prides themselves on defense or rough play like the old Stoke or West Brom. Usually when your not skilled to do a particular thing and your try it you end up getting hurt or somebody else hurt (example Aubameyang red card).
     
  19. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    3 tackles was the Arsenal high for the game.
     
  20. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, so for this game he was nearly our best tackler. But I was asking in a much broader sense, larger data set, many games, multiple seasons. There must be tackles-per-90 stats available for other forwards or roughly comparable players. (I tried using Squawka but they've changed their website and I sadly couldn't seem to add players to the comparison matrix??)
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Germany
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    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #146 The Jitty Slitter, Jan 13, 2020
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    We already saw the data that proved in the arteta area ozil has very high defensive pressure stats.

     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    IMO it came back to the same old systemic issues.

    On the first goal, we got at them because there was space to play through the lines. Arsenal have the players to hurt you in that situation. And our defensive effort was very good, only conceding .4 XG

    Once CP got more compact we found it harder to get through, and I really think that is one of the biggest problems with this side. The idea of Pepe was that he would be able to beat people but we don't really get him into good attacking position. So much work to do.

    The other thing that went wrong was as so often happened under Wenger, we got roughed up and then lost our rag.

    I kind of feel that sort of thing will come right once we can manage the game better.
     
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  23. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe I'm being too influenced by my background, but I appeal the Aubameyang decision, not because I don't think in a perfect world it warranted a red but because of the inconsistency. In support, I present Tomkins tackle, Creswell's tackle on Pepe from a month ago, that Norwich tackle on Guendouzi, and Robertson's from yesterday. I'm not naive enough to think it would have a good chance of success, but it would be taking a stand. And at the very least the other examples would belie any charge that our appeal was frivolous.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah I agree that stuff is just so annoying.

    The lack of consistency has been my bugbear forever and VAR was supposed to address that. I mean it is one of the things VAR can actually do well!
     
  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Arsenal might be better with Aubameyang leading the line. Lacazette doesn’t stretch defenses vertically. He wants the ball played to his feet. A typical Lacazette goal seems to be begin with him receiving the ball at his feet, with his back to goal, then turning and shooting. He doesn’t make the kinds of runs into the box that led to Aubameyang’s goal. The advantage he has over Aubameyang in the middle is that he is a better target, he’s better at holding up the ball, but he lacks one skill of a great target player, he’s not particularly good in the air. This is also an issue when Arsenal stretch defenses with width to play crosses into the box. Any crosses played in the air have a very low probability of success. Aubameyang doesn’t solve the fact that Arsenal don’t score many headed goals, but he can stretch defenses vertically creating space between the lines.
     
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