New Zack City: Steffen at Middlesbrough (olf Manchester City)

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The labels are: World Class, International Class, The Chasing Pack & In The Bubble.

    That Steffen is In The Bubble is, well, nicht schlecht für ein Ami, as they'd say.
     
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  2. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Yea was going to say that didn’t look like good recognition. It’s basically saying he’s the 14th best keeper in the Bundesliga. Not that great when there’s 18 teams.
     
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  3. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    But he is recognized as the best of the worsts?
     
  4. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I don't know if "Blickfeld" is typically a bad thing, at least for the other positions. For instance, there are no world class or international class defenders on that list, so "Blickfeld" is the second best designation for any defender on that list. Though I'm guessing it's nothing special either.

    Here's a (Google translated) explanation of those rankings:

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangliste_des_deutschen_Fußballs

    The players are classified into four categories: World Class, International Class, Further Circle and Field of View . Within the first three categories, the players are ranked according to their performance. In the fourth category (still or already in the field of vision), the names of the players are listed in alphabetical order. This category also lists players from the 2nd Bundesliga and 3rd league - players with particularly good performances in the lower league or outstanding with the additional gradation.
     
  5. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    He's on a relegation side and he's made some mistakes. He may not be as solid as he was in the first few matches but he's done reasonably well.

    Hopefully the second half of the season shows a more consistent performance. They have two friendlies this week, against Twente and FC Basel.
     
  6. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    #1106 KALM, Jan 5, 2020
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    That link I posted actually has a list of every player who's ever received one of the top 3 designations.

    Dooley, Wynalda, Reyna, Jones, Chandler, Johnson, Brooks, Pulisic and Adams are all in there (surprised not to see Cherundolo as well), but it looks like Kasey Keller is the only player to ever receive International Class honors.

    No World Class players. But for reference, the only real world class keepers on there from the past 20 years have been Neuer and Kahn (with Lehman and Weidenfeller each making the list for one half season each), and the only world class defenders in that period were Hummels, Lahm, Boateng, and Lucio.
     
  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    One of the big problems with AI translation is how lousy they are when translating "sister" languages. Since both languages are similar in structure and lexicon, the number of faux amis is huge.

    In short, translating German to English literally is a no-no. And that's what machines tend to do: stick to the literal.

    "Im weiteren Kreis" (lit. "in the next circle") does not convey the feeling that those names are guys who could make the jump into International Class. But that's the exact meaning: those guys may jump into it with more experience, or only if they had fixed a couple of shortcomings in their game. "Chasing Pack" is, I feel, the sports-related term that conveys this nuance the best.

    By the same token, "Blickfeld" in sports is those guys who are still somehow remarkable, but due to, so to speak, anecdotal evidence. They are players who are going through a good moment, and could be used in place of the guys in the Chasing Pack when on a good day, but it lacks the idea that they are just a step away from international class. The best English sport term to describe them is "in the bubble" since it's not a bad idea to keep an eye on them, but they're outside looking in and likely to remain that way.
     
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  8. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Oh, no doubt. I will say, though, as someone who's been using Google Translate, or before that Babel Fish for over two decades now, this stuff has come a really long way. The translations these things used to spit out were almost completely unintelligible at one point. I have to imagine they'll get to where they need to be before too long.
     
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  9. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't make the their top list but was an honorable mention

    Exactly its hard to rank him as one of the best but he has had impressive performances. Steffen needs to keep at that level to showcase himself to other clubs
     
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  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    With Howard in his corner, Steffen has made a big splash in the Bundesliga with Düsseldorf. The 24-year-old made 11 saves on his winning debut against Werder Bremen on the opening weekend of 2019/20, and has not missed a single minute of action all season. He's also kept two clean sheets, whilst repelling a whopping 67 attempts on his goal. Only Union Berlin counterpart Rafal Gikiewicz has stopped more (69).

    It may be something of a winter of discontent for relegation-threatened Fortuna, but the Rhineland club – perched precariously above the automatic drop zone in the relegation play-off spot after 17 rounds of fixtures – would be far worse off without Steffen's efforts.

    "We've had our ups and downs, but it's a great team and I'm enjoying it," he told bundesliga.com following Fortuna's year-ending win over Union.

    "We get a lot of shots," he added in The Philadelphia Inquirer. "I'd say I'm a good shot stopper, but we like to live on the counter. So I'm trying to improve my game in that sense, and seeing where I need to put the ball when I get the ball."
     
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  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    He's still young enough but does he have the attitude to be considered brat worst?
     
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  12. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I see a friendly on tap today, Fortuna Düsseldorf v FC Twente (12th of 18 in the Dutch league). Resting our knee(s) or playing - what's your guess?
     
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  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I see a friendly on tap today, Fortuna Düsseldorf v FC Twente (12th of 18 in the Dutch league). Resting our knee(s) or playing - what's your guess?
     
  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    And apparently I'm seeing double ...
     
  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    The funny thing is that I don't know of any USMNT fan who doesn't want us to be good enough to play possession even against great teams. The issue is that we're not there yet and instituting a system that focuses on it is "pushing on a string".

    When we have multiple players who are UCL quarter-finalists and have the technical ability to possess against the best of the best, we should take advantage of that competitive advantage. We're nowhere close to being there now and I mean nowhere.

    Our elite players primarily play in systems that are speed/counter based while I don't believe we've ever had an American play under Pep.
     
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  16. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
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  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Well, at least he's played enough to be considered Blut wurst but hopefully he stays healthy and doesn't become knock wurst.
     
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  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Fortuna gave up an 87 min equalizer to tie the west German club 1-1.

    Twente's goal was on a terrible breakaway after a bad giveaway. There's a poor angle vid of it floating around on Twitter but I didn't copy it. If anything Steffen comes out too early/hard (though I don't think he has much choice) but really it was just a crap giveaway that turned into a fast attack on net.
     
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  19. Streaky Bacon

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    Apr 11, 2015
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  20. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    OMG Twente passed to the other side!
     
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  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
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  22. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
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  23. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It took me a moment to figure it out, but I think he was referring to @freisland comment that Steffen got beat for the second half tying goal when it appears he was subbed at halftime.
     
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  24. Streaky Bacon

    Streaky Bacon Member

    Apr 11, 2015
    Yes.
    Thanks for clarifying
    Should have quoted the original post.
     
  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    question: would it be good or bad if city decided steffen was ready to be their #2?

    claudio bravo is getting up there even in gk years, has 11 appearances this year after 1 last year. do those more in the know than me think thats a realistic course for him, or is he simply an investment for city?
     
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