Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal Manager

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Super Llama, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coaching Team Named (Arsenal.com)

    Assistant Coach: Freddie Ljunberg
    Assistant Coach: Albert Stuivenberg
    Assistant Coach: Steve Round
    Goalkeeping Coach: Inaki Cana Pavon

     
  2. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
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    Arsenal FC
    I'm somewhat sure that Sal Bibbo is staying on too but I'm not entirely sure. Rest of the fitness/performance coaching staff is the same.
     
  3. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    To brag a bit I’ve had both a pina colada at Trader Vics and beef chow mein at Lee Ho Fuk’s. :-D
     
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  4. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
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    Oct 2, 2019
  5. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    He got outcoached today. Didn't respond to Lampard Jorghino sub that changed the game. Subbed on Pepe 20-30 mins too late, and gave quality minutes to Reiss Nelson and Willock when imo that's not necessary or deserved. It's a learning experience for sure. He is hampered with an injury ravaged squad and a squad which is overrated from a talent and quality perspective. Only Leno and Aubameyang could start on Chelsea squad so for us to even have the lead that deep in the game is impressive. We do look much better committment wise, energy and effort but that will only take you so far.
     
  6. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
     
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  7. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    this is why he has an 18-month free pass from me. As long as we aren't in the relegation zone, I don't care about the results.
     
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  8. ArsenalJake

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    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    #33 ArsenalJake, Dec 29, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2019
    I mean, you have to care somewhat. I get what you're saying, but the only way to know if we're improving is if we start getting better results on the pitch. It shouldn't take 18 months of "who cares about the results" before we can decide things are working.

    Arteta hasn't coached a team on his own before, I don't know how you can give him the same amount of time we gave Emery and say "you do you, we don't care about the results". We certainly cared about Emery's results, the good and the bad. What gets Arteta a free pass from you?
     
  9. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    The squad needs serious rebuilding and we don't have a marquee talent that we can sell for 100m to expedite the rebuild. Liverpool benefited immensely from selling Suarez and Coutinho. We don't have anybody like that.

    The real route to rebuilding the squad is for Martenelli to blow up and RM to buy him for 200m in 2022. Otherwise the money just isn't going to be there.
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    He already had the team understanding stuff like spacing, positioning, and pressing on the pitch. This is stuff we haven't seen from an Arsenal side in four seasons.

    This squad has good individuals but the talent does not work together as its a mishmash of playing styles and age profiles. Ozil, Lacabloodclat, and Aubabombaclaat are hovering around 30 and their contracts end in 18 months. Those are three high earning players that are our prime time players. I do not anticipate those players being here for when we are a top side again. I can't put too much pressure on him to win with guys that won't be here when we are good.

    I want to see Arteta impose his philosophy on the players and see what that looks like. We aren't competing with Liverpool right now and shouldn't be expected to. I want us to get there eventually have a template to win big going forward. I can't put too much pressure on him to win right away. The mess this club is in is deep and is not his own doing.
     
  11. MisplacedSpainard

    Apr 5, 2007
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain

    Not to mention many teams will be rebuilding soon outside of liverpool.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    LMAO!

    When i first heard that i listened to it about 10 times and could not figure it out.

    It took a lot of googling to discover the backstory to this word play - but i really love it
     
  13. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess there's an assumption already (by many) that Arteta's approach is exactly what we need, that he is the answer, his message will resonate with the players and he will not fail in his efforts to re-mold Arsenal into a winner.

    If you take all of these assumptions and make them fact, then everything you're saying makes a lot of sense. But after 18months of Emery, I'm going to need to see a bit more over the next few months before I lay myself at the feet of Arteta and proclaim him our savior. There's a lot that can happen that would make even the most well intentioned manager less than successful at Arsenal, and some of it is completely out of his control.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    On the theme of how much of modern theory young players don't know

    1211622374287777792 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  15. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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    This. We should be building a squad and a team to compete in 2022 - we should be waiting out this Liverpool team.
     
  16. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I've no doubt Saka has heard this before, he's just never heard it from someone with elite hair.
     
  17. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    That's just not a very believable quote.

    I played soccer for only 6 years when I was a teenager, and I knew that then. It's pretty damn intuitive.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well not necessarily

    For instance back in the 80s, there was the Brazilian view not to pass the ball to someone else unless they were in a better position. So a slant towards making plays on the ball.

    But in the passing era, the idea is the ball moves faster than the carrier, so move the ball via passing rather than carrying.

    A lot would depend on which trainers you came up with
     
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  19. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is exactly what i posted from Pep Confidential

    Boateng managed to be an elite defender signed by Bayern Munich, without understanding basic concepts of defensive organisation

    He just believed defenders defended instinctively

    IIRC this was also a factor with the development of Wayne Rooney. Initially he was a carefree, instinctive attacker - later he became more sophisticated after he learned much more
     
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  21. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Ya, it’s pretty shocking. What I found in my stint as a basketball coach is that coaches often come in thinking players know all of the basics. It’s like if a student is in your calculus class you assume he knows basic algebra and arithmetic, but the truth is many students don’t.

    I think in this case, Saka likely did this instinctively often enough no coach ever thought to tell him and he never really thought about it.

    It’s part of what I’ve seen totally decline at the club. Technique, simple things like leading the player into the space with a pass, passing to the favored foot to enable one touch, defending positionally, reading the flight of headers, funneling the ball to the most dangerous players, keeping possession to make the opposition tired, etc.

    These are the fundamentals that we have abandoned steadily through recruitment and/or coaching over the last five years.
     
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  22. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've coached and directed traveling club soccer, and this doesn't surprise me at all. Kids today expect to be dictated how-to play, but as a result they can't think creatively on their own. This results in technically sound players who must be "programmed" to play a certain way. It's very predictable since it markets well for clubs trying to market themselves as more successful than others.

    The biggest eye opener was when we had some extra indoor turf time available, and we decided to just have an open field night with a couple of our better teams. Our coaching director kicked out a ball and told the kids to decide what to play, and they literally had no clue what to do. They repeatedly asked us to set them up, but our staff refused to see what they would do. The players just expected the game to be all set up for them, which is the fundamental problem.

    How often do you just see kids kicking a ball or playing pick-up games? It's not just soccer, but most other sports too.
     
  23. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Agree, the fun has been zapped out of sports with micro analysis

    u even see it on sky now and the kids watch this and expect the same tactical input in their games
     
  24. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Wow. Is that really the case these days? Sad.
     
  25. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    I can understand this, when I started playing at my local club the coach was VERY "pass at all costs" because his theory was the ball moved faster than the players.

    Why would you have someone carry the ball over a longer time, when a quick long pass opens up the defence, or that was the theory anyway.

    That said, I run at players with the ball. The defenders in that league would shit themselves because they weren't used to it. But it meant some harsh conversations with the coach about why I would run at players and not play ping pong with the ball and my teammates.
     

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