Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Balerion, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Vardy is incredibly impressive. Dude just continues to score and score. It's a shame we won't see him on a CL level squad. I'd love to see what he could do abroad.
     
  2. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Officially not playing for USA this upcoming break. Good news. (unless your Berhalter but that's for a different forum I guess)
     
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  3. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    He's on a Champion's League level squad now.

    Shall we compare LC with Chelsea?

    Shcmeichel = Kepa = about even, maybe an advantage Kepa
    Pereira > Azpi
    Evans > Zouma
    Chilwell > Emerson/Alonso
    Ndidi < Kante
    Tielamans > Jorgino
    Maddison > Mount/Kovacic
    Ayoze < Pulisic
    Vardy > Abraham
    Willian > Barnes

    LC's back 4 and midfield are simply flat out better than Chelsea's. More athletic, more dynamic. The one thing that Chelsea has that LC doesn't. is a dynamic forward like Pulisic. But he alone doesn't make Chelsea a better side. I'd rate LC over Chelsea right now. I mean they went into Anfield, went 50-50 on possesion, and didn't give up the matchwinner until 95th minute on a PK.

    If they were in the CL right now, they'd probably be one of the better sides. Liverpool, City, PSG, Bayern, Barca and Juve are the only sides that are clearly ahead of them, and even then you're only saying that because of individual talent and not necessarily form, when it comes to some of those sides.
     
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  4. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Exactly.

    There's no denying that CP's shots need a bit more ooomphhhh behind them.
     
  5. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's probably true that most Americans in Europe have lacked tactical awareness, for lots of reasons, and that's before even getting to a more basic need of the average European club player (technical proficiency)... but I mean, who besides tabloids and old-school pundits are saying "player X is poor because he's American?" I think that's a hard argument to find among anyone with any credibility, and especially regarding CP, who if nothing else is a guy that has become a smashing success directly because of his navigation through all these many tiers of the European system!

    I'd suggest if it's going away it's because more often than not Americans like CP are getting a proper footballing education, which wasn't always a given.

    I could not agree more about this point... but, again, this is generally, generally, going to be reflected by thick-headed pundits & the more antagonistic tabloids which stir up this shit with no reason other than to try to sell a few extra papers. We can find terrible press and opinions about lots of topics that relate to CP, or Americans in European clubs, or local vs "foreign" players diving... my question is, why are we giving this any attention? Just because it exists?

    If all you're saying is that it exists, I for sure agree. But lots of terrible opinions and thoughts and agendas exist. That's a low bar.
     
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  6. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I am saying that when people post about why X is happening, and speculate about whether these ideas may influence others’ understanding of why X, that is not speculation worthy of ridicule or cursory dismissal. Disagree? Sure. Worthy of mockery? (And it does get mocked.) No.
     
  7. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is X, in this specific scenario? People saying Americans don't have great tactical awareness?
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Now that's how you pull out of a squad without alienating your teammates. Exaggerate that hip injury as you get subbed off, and no one is the wiser. ;)
     
  9. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Pretty much nobody. But if I had a nickel for every time someone on these boards has qualified a postive statement about a player with "for an American"...
     
  10. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That assumes there is not a serious issue. I certainly hope not. He could certainly use the rest if you are a Chelsea fan. Not so much, if you are a USMNT fan.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...of-usmnt-nations-league-squad-with-hip-injury
     
  11. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I'm a little bummed. Could have used him.
    Important to be healthy though.
     
  12. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Not a stat guy, but he had some of the best stats of his BVB career last season as far as stats per min played.

    As to Frank, I think Frank has gotten the best out of CP. It is preposterous to offer up a counterfactual suggesting he might have done better had he not been benched. His time under Favre, Bosz and Stoeger had almost broken him. He was a chalk on his boots winger or deeper and was not coached to pressure the back line on every single change of possession or to get central press the defenders or shoot when you see the goal.

    Frank said at the beginning of the season he saw him as a more central player. First time since TT and how he got to BVB in the first place was as a CAM. His first few games CP seemed lost. He and CHO both got in trouble at halftime for not pressing the backline, and shortly thereafter CP got "benched." (Neglecting the fact that Mark said we don't have the full story) When CP came back, he was off to the races at the first hint of a turnover, he shoots when in sight of goal, he pressures the back line with his runs, he is so excited he even puts in an honest defensive shift if the opposing team gets into CFC's half.

    None of that was happening pre-benching. Even if Frank got it all wrong, it is inarguable that for CP to be mentioned in the same statistical realm as Mo Salah, back to back to TOW, and back to back to top Power rated EPL player is absolutely exceptional. So even if Frank just hates Americans and behaved like a drunken american hating arsehole on 9/11 it is working for CP. Lumpy is on track to be manager of the year if this keeps up. It is doubtful CFC has anything for 'Pool this year, but they look to be right there if 'pool stumbles at all.
     
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  13. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    CP caught at a London Disco...

     
  14. Robdog

    Robdog Member+

    Oct 20, 2002
    Rancho Cordova, Cali
    FYP - remember Super Frankie did this in The Camp Nou:

     
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  15. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  16. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I dunno being on a Bayern side in the Buli is not the same as playing for any side in the PL.

    I like Lewa and he is without doubt a helluva striker, but before I mention him as among the best in the world he needs to do it in a league where he doesn't play on an all star team, and most of the rest of the league save 3 or 4, are simply the Washington Generals.
     
  17. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    Lol. Bleacher report is crap. Apparently we are not only playing in the Caymans but Cuba has decided that we are going to just play Cayman instead?
     
  18. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure I agree. Auba had similar success at BVB and has done quite well in the Prem. Lewa is quality anywhere he plays.
     
  19. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    #29394 smokarz, Nov 11, 2019
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    Agreed. A bruise at most.

    The fact of the matter is Frank don't want Pulisic in these shitty games and 3G mentally messing him up again, and Pulisic probably have enough of 3G (remember he was f*cking frustrated and crying after sub out against Canada), so Frankie made the most of the goal post bump and gave Pulisic a way out; and CP took it with pleasure.

    He's going to be running wild against Man City. Now that's a game I look forward to.
     
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  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nagging injuries killed half his season last year.

    This is the perfect opportunity to rest up and get healthy for a long season.
     
  21. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    CP has come to camp previously while not 100% fit. This is not enough to keep him away, he wanted to be away.
     
  22. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    As I recall he played quite well under Bosz, coincidentally often on the left.
     
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  23. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    honestly after his inglorious, asinine benching and the sheer stupidity of the current setup he should send a not so subtle message (by staying in London) that his presence is not guaranteed going forward -- and next time it might be more than just some two bit Nations Cup game.

    He's in the form of his life playing at the highest level he's ever played at. I wonder what it's like when he steps into training with someone like Lovitz or Roldan on the USMNT. Is it kinda like when you rent a really nice powerful car for a week on vacation then hit the gas on your beater for the commute on monday and feel like the petal is on the floor as you hit 30 mph?
     
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  24. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    I remember the same.

    Bosz valued him highly. Stoeger plays him out of position, and Favre just disregard him until the end when he needed him.
     
  25. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Fair enough. He did start well but got worn down and then hurt and that was that. He did get off to a lively start, but the footie was dreadful.
     

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