Post-match: San Jose Earthquakes - Philadelphia Union (Wednesday, 9/25) postgame thread [R]

...or killing someone...

 

Call it a pet peeve but if you’re going to offer tix up for grabs you should be able to respond within three hours if someone expresses interest. Still haven’t heard anything from @davez when a simple ‘they’re yours’ or ‘they’ve been spoken for already’ would do nicely.

 

It's almost like someone calling you on the phone, and you call them right back and they don't answer.

 

The point of not raising you flag in favor of VAR is nullified when the AR ends up putting the flag up. Now there’s nothing VAR can review.

Correct usage would be to let the play end and then reverse the play without an AR flagging

 

It wasn't an offer to give tickets, it was a representation of my disgust at MLS.

 

"I Could've Made That Shot," States Shirtless Fan in Supporters Group

https://www.thenutmegnews.com/curre...shot-states-shirtless-fan-in-supporters-group

 

“I have tickets for Saturday and I am going to eat the cost. No reason to support this travesty of a train wreck called MLS.”


Right, silly me.

 

I understood exactly what he meant.

 

What did “eat the cost” mean to you then?

 

The ticket(s) he pre-paid for would go unused.

 

fair enough

 

Before caller ID, I’d dial *69 and it would redial the number back but they would never say hello!

 

Comment on Quakes reddit:

I get steamed about bad calls occasionally, I do care about the level of reffing in this league and think it needs to improve, but overall it's not something I notice a whole lot, it just doesn't draw my attention that much. I never gave much credence to the "MLS is screwing SJ" stuff, but these last two games, plus a bunch of others spread over this season, have me hella wondering now. After Toledo VAR'd the penalty, the way he was walking away from the screen, he just looked awfully heavy and guilty, like he knew what he was about to do was wrong and had to do it anyway.

This was demoralizing.

(Emphasis added.)

 

Well said and the flip side is as the season has progressed, it appears that the same kind of luck is needed for the Quakes to put a ball in the net.

 

PRO is a clown show and VAR is worthless.

 

I wish to Heaven he was, he would have gone ballistic and perhaps drawn some attention to the cluster******** that is MLS officiating.

 

Bigsoccer Fakenews Express leaving the station! (/s)

It started after Toledo signaled he was going to VAR.

We didn't lose both games he missed, we tied the first one away to DC. Agree 100% that he's the best, most dynamic difference-maker on the team, though.

 

Interesting in a game in which refereeing decisions seemed to be occurring off the field, that both Wondo and Espinoza had received red cards ruling them out of the game.

So I can see it now, "Gee, we need to make sure the Quakes lose their next game at home in Philly, because their fans will still be happy if they don't make the playoffs and we need an LA-New York or Atlanta final for TV ratings".

"Okay let's tell the refs that every VAR decision goes against them in San Jose."

"Well that might not work".

"Okay let's make sure that their leading goal scorer and assist leader are unavailable due to a red card or yellow card accumulation".

"That would be Wondo and Espinoza".

"Okay red card Wondo and Espinoza in the Atlanta game".

"But their coach is really good and smart".

"Red Card him, too".

Kind of what happened.

 

i don't exactly understand your question.

The way referees work with each other, they don't say, "you did this wrong". They just tell the center he should look at it. My guess is that VARs don't express any opinion if they are unsure, because they are only supposed to intervene on a clear and obvious error, right?

However, the VAR is not making the decision, he is giving an opinion that the CR could benefit from more info or another view. The CR doesn't have to look at the screen. He can just accept the VAR's opinion if he thinks the VAR has better info or he trusts that VAR, same as working with an AR.

If this is what you are asking, i could check with Mr Dickerson. Or maybe it is on the PRO instructional videos. Don't they do a weekly review of key VAR decisions?

 

My take on the league shenanigans is it helps to bunch the greatest number of teams in the playoff drive, within reason (there's no hope for some teams). They really play up the Decision Day angle. Who will make it at the 11th hour. It is manufactured drama and entertainment to give fans hope and keep teams alive.

I believe once the playoff teams are identified it is hands off with funny stuff. If I didn't think it was open competition in the playoffs, I wouldn't spend a nickel on the league.

 

Just watched the end of this one late last night.

In the second half, after our early goal was called back, we played like crap. Very disjointed, too much ball hogging, not much of our usual coordination and teamwork. Very disappointing.

Now for the other stuff.

The PK should have stood. VAR is only to overturn clear and obvious mistakes, and it wasn't a mistake. Their defender clearly took out our forward in the box and made no effort to play the ball. Danger and Danielle both thought it was a PK, even when watching the slow-mo replays. That was bullshit. Even if you think the call was right after watching VAR, it's not like our guy slipped or contact was incidental. Their guy put his arm out and plowed into our player, keeping his arm out to make sure that our guy couldn't get to the ball. So there's no clear error or mistake on the call, and thus no reason to call it back.

Be that as it may, Baldo's "officiating" has always leaned toward allowing too much physical play, and so some teams adjust their play for him and commit a ton of small physical fouls. The Onions did that to us, and we hardly ever responded in kind. That's a failing on our part. When their guys push and shove and grab onto us, we need to respond with the same tactics, because the ref is allowing it.

Moreover, in the last fifteen or twenty minutes of the game (I include the stoppage time in this count) the Fillies committed a ton of fouls and time wasting. But Baldo called almost none of it. They bashed into our players over and over, and Baldo let it go.

Much earlier in the game, their #10, Fabian?, picked up the ball when we had a free kick and wouldn't let our guys take the free kick. One of our players, Jackson?, had to knock the ball out of his hand to take the kick. That's a straight-up yellow card for interfering in the opponents' free kick. But Baldo let it go.

What pisses me off about this is that he called offsides against us to our detriment on the called back goal and on the TT play very strictly interpreting the rules, but when Fabian picked up the ball to prevent our free kick that's OK? No, it's freaking not. You can't call the game strictly in some circumstances and loosely in others.

Speaking of which, how did their guy not get a red for stepping on Fierro's head? Sure, it wasn't intentional, but the laws say that we are only concerned with intent on handballs and intent to injure. If you make a late tackle and aren't trying to be nasty, but kick your opponent in the knee, that's still a foul. If you're late on a slide tackle and get the other player with your cleats it's a card. So, if we get strict interpretation on offsides, and on the PK, how in the f@#$ did they not get a card for that stepping on our guy's head?

And in stoppage time, Jackson got fouled and tried to play through. Baldo called a foul, Jackson took a quick restart, and then Baldo stopped him, and made him take the kick over, giving the Onions time to regroup and set up defensively. That's just flat out biased.

Granted, we did not play well in the second half, but with even-handed officiating, we get at least a tie out of that match.

Bunch of crap.

Go Quakes!!

- Mark

 

I am starting to wonder if our guys are terrified to play physical since we seem to have a very short leash.

Seriously, our previous game had three ejections, Judson gets a rather unneeded yellow at the start of the game so it makes us play scared.

 

I'm sure that's an element of of it. We get called for fouls the other team is allowed on a regular basis. It's pretty disheartening.

Go Quakes!!
F@#$ MLS!!

- Mark