Well, I used to get into all kinds of political arguments with a gay friend who voted for Reagan twice. Twice! Well, it took him a while, but he wisened up and saw the light. If you wanna see him foam at the mouth, just ask him, "did you her what Trump said/did today?"
Constitution my ass! Most people who bring that up can't even spell Konstitution, um, Consitushin, uh, Bill of Rites
You* don't vote like gay men of color, or gay women, either. Identity is multifaceted and relational. In some contexts gay white men are vulnerable because of social bigotry and lack of legal protections. In other contexts their gender and/or race. Does that really need to be explained? *"You" in the aggregate, obviously.
I assume this is a bit hyperbole-ly, since the demographic on this board is aware of them but probably don't watch them. And I'd say quite a bit of the more left leaning Dems are that way, too, if they even know of Diamond and Silk.
You may be right. It's possible that I know of them precisely because they have melanin. A lot of things related mostly to POCs comes across my feed on various social media.
That’s kind of my point - what actual evidence do you have that gay white men do not vote like gay black men? I’ve never seen any polling data that says that. Have you? If you have, please provide a link as I would love to better inform myself.
Back in the day, when they first hit, I got a couple of youtube videos, probably because of something about politics/Colbert/Noah or something like that.
I'm actually more aware of historical study rather than voting data, so you kinda/sorta got me there. I probably shouldn't have said "vote" when I'm talking more broadly. To be honest, I've always assumed that the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud are disproportionately White, but I'll have to do some digging to prove that.
I’ve no doubt, although I also am aware of an “obviously gay” black talking guest head on CNN who is pro-Trump. As with many things, I’m guessing Log Cabin Republicans are also disproportionately religious and wealthy. I’m not sure skin colour is the deciding factor. But again, there’s no data I know of to go on.
Not necessarily true in my experience... Here in Taos it seems to be true because Taos sorts for leftism. and is a haven for gays. I can't think of a single gay Republican here-- but I can't think of more than two or three Republicans period. But I went to an elite college, a frat haven 1969-75, which was about "the 60's" at that place-- maybe 68-76 actually. I belonged to an outlaw frat-- had been the school's chapter of Lambda Chi Alpha, only about 1960 they rushed and initiated a Chinese kid over the objections of about 40% of the membership. Who contacted the national, who sent a letter pointing out that the bylaws specified only white protestants were eligible. The majority responded by electing the pledge president, and the chapter was expelled. They chose to carry on as a maverick house-- called themselves Gryphon to symbolize that they were neither flesh nor fish nor fowl-- and in the course of about a decade they became the collecting point for all the most peculiar people in the school-- drug dealers, a Nazi, a commie, a tin foil hat wearer-- and about 20% of the house was gay; the t-shirt wearing, Flatbush Avenue accented sort of gay, definitely leftist even if not 60's hip. But across the street was another frat, and it was probably 70-80% gay; our gays called them "the state department gays." They wore raincoats, carried umbrellas and briefcases, played bridge-- which was how I knew them-- disapproved of the 60's and were horrified at Stonewall. An astonishing percentage of them were Classics majors-- wonder why? (Kinda like the junkies were mostly Psych majors-- except for the ones who were pre-med because they didn't ever want to get clean, just develop a supply.) They feared conservative oppression, but feared foreign oppression more, whether from Communist incursions or simply savage invasions from Africa and Asia. They thought Nixon was just ducky, because he was preserving what they identified as "civilization" and they thought they could get by in civilization by playing the game better than the repressors. It was almost as though they thought that without repression's influence on a brutal world, men of taste and dignity could never discover the wonders of love among men... In a 60's context, they were simply too silly to be taken seriously-- but now maybe not, if they are still out there. Admittedly they aren't here.
I read that entire thread, then I read his Katrina thread, and got super depressed because I remember reading a couple of years ago about the hunting of people of color in NOLA after the storm. Never realized the systematic killings of POC went that far. Damn.
This is actually a good point about the parscale myth. The media has accepted the trope that Cambridge was snake oil and Parscale is a digital marketing genius But CA was embedded in san Antonio and actually ticks the boxes for a real digital operation. I.e. data, experienced staff, track record of similar projects.... and especially the whole Mercer Breitbart Bannon stuff built up over multiple years Yet not even mentioned? I suspect most political reporters are all-in on the trope that CA was hype and snake oil, a mere Facebook privacy scandal, fines issued, shut down, case closed, old news. Never mind a criminal conviction in UK and the pending ICO report on seized servers. https://t.co/HTLbmJvQBs— David Carroll 🦣 (@profcarroll) September 11, 2019
I think analysis of parscales grift misses the point that he is a key crime family captain who works for the trumps rather than a consultant The whole operation is a way for the trumps to steal fundraising $ and control the GOP fund raising machine for trumps own benefit Parscale has made one strategic move that could help him stay in the job longer than most: In addition to his close ties with Jared Kushner, his firm employs both Lara Trump, the President's daughter-in-law, & Kimberly Guilfoyle, the ex-Fox News personality who is dating Don Jr.— Vicky Ward (@VickyPJWard) September 9, 2019
I suspect what journalists miss about Cambridge "snake oil" is that even if the firm has no real competitive edge, that would leave them as able to deliver industry standard results. All this stuff really matters on the margins. So you would use FB custom audiences and behavioural micro-targetting, to try to get some % points better ROI vs not using it. Given a large part of the social media operation appears to have been fundraising (same as Obama 2012) there is no reason to think CA didn't deliver results in this area especially once they had access to the RNC data vault which could be uploaded to FB as a custom audience. My feeling in 2019 remains the same as in 2017 Project Alamo was simply the place where 3 highly sophisticated digital operations collaborated. The Mercers already ran a sophisticated content operation (the Breitbart/whackjob ad stack) whose whole point was building data profiles of their audience. Cambridge was their frankenstein, and Bannon instrumental. Mercers just happened to be Trump's main backer. It's is said CA's only job was to analyse the RNC and campaign data. I don't believe this. I think they combined it with their own data - they were already several years into their project and already had a purpose built content network to target people. Since 2012, GOP built its own massive Data vault and Reince brought this treasure to the table in 2016. It was onboarded to FB as a custom audience. This audience could be improved with other data - e.g the Mercer data. Add to this a few contracted digital marketing agencies and you have a digital op. Obviously this is very last minute .com but at least believable. If the data is decent, they would certainly get results. e.g. from Fundraising. Lastly co-ordination with the troll bot farm etc. Was it run from here? My guess is yes. Did any of this provide the killer app to win the election? Unlikely IMO. Without Comey Clinton wins. Where i think it was significant is in terms of a multiyear disinfo campaign. In other words I believe the Mercers and Russia did a lot to corrupt the digital discourse. e.g. Wikileaks/Snowden were by themselves hugely corrosive, years before all this blew up. But later you have comet etc etc Indeed it is fascinating to remember how we marvelled at the pure wingnut stuff turning up online - remember Hilary's guillotines? We now know lots of that propaganda was organised.
And so he shouldn't when he's carrying these poll results. Colbert. Seriously, it's going to be a really interesting time in the history of US politics if he gets wiped out in the polls and refuses to step down. It'll be a total humiliation for him. Or this will be Germany of the '30s. Can't wait for the movie.
Oh, Nikki. It will not only continue, it will increase, as long as your party wields significant power. But I think you actually know that.