Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

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  1. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    You know what they’re saying; «Hope breeds eternal misery»

    The German NT these days only seem to make people feel bad despite the hope that things will get better :p
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    To get the best of him the team needs to be more vertical like Leipzig

    Which means you have to come back to the transitions and where Germany wins the ball - which takes you into the whole question of pressing etc.

    A more aggressive attack with and without the ball would suit all the attackers - but then you come back to Kroos in midfield who more reflects the previous version of germany
     
  3. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yep spot on
     
  4. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes I agree, but on occasions can have dicipline issues
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    My guess is Hummels & Mueller were kicked out to clear the field for Neuer and Kroos to run the team

    By all accounts both these guys were major voices in the dressing room.

    Mueller probably doesn't matter as he faded so badly, and Havertz is a better option off the bench

    Personally I think Hummels is still better than Tah, Ginter or Rudiger at CB - but I am betting that is why we won't see him again
     
  6. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    11freunde say Löw decided last winter that he would pull a Ballack/Frings on Hummels and Müller. Young players performed well in 2010 and not having both on the team was a relief. Thats all. Now we can debate if Löw's decision is right or wrong but it will not be taken back, thats for sure
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    For me the difference is the 2010 talents were absolutely elite talent and blended with a core of more experienced guys in Lahm, Poldi, Schweini, Mertesacker, Klose

    So then you got break out performances from Ozil, Sami K, Mueller. The first 2 guys will be signed by Real and Mueller had already broken out with Bayern.

    I don't really see that with this side

    There is no established core.

    But i get the logic of it - i just think the timing of everything is a mess.
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Interviewer: Mr Löw, what is your conclusion of your 2-0 win over Northern Ireland?

    Joachim Löw: It was a very fast-paced, difficult 90 minutes here in Belfast; they tried to take the game to us in the first half and didn’t make it easy for us. At half time we had to correct a thing or two because our shape wasn’t ideal. We performed much better in the second half. We had a few hurdles to overcome, but that was expected because the team had never played in this way before.

    Interviewer: What, specifically, did you address during the break?

    Löw: Brandt, Reus, Gnabry and Werner were tracking back too much and failing to cover the space in the midfield. So I told them to stay more advanced because there were gaps that they could take advantage of. We needed to attack their defence with pace because they were overstretched. Furthermore, it was clear that the players were feeling the pressure, as they were trying to rush it by hitting long balls rather than playing out from the defence. I told them to stay calm, and the opportunities will come.

    Interviewer: How pleased were you with the mentality of your players?

    Löw: That’s something that we’ve talked a lot about over the past few days; we needed to show that we wanted it more than them, and that we were ready to go into tackles. The team did this very well. We failed to do this against Holland but today was much better.

    Interviewer: Would you say it was better, or a sign that you’re now playing at the level you want to be at?

    Löw: It was better.

    Interviewer: Do you expect a little bit more from leaders such as Marco Reus?

    Löw: Marco, Manu Neuer, Toni Kroos and Jo Kimmich have all been with us for a few years now – it’s time for them to take on a bit more responsibility by showing the other players they’re ready for the game, through their body language and demeanour on the pitch. Marco perhaps didn’t perform as well as he’s capable of, but he is an outstanding footballer and an important part of our team.

    Interviewer: What’s the next step for the team?

    Löw: Continuity is vital. But it’s not as easy as people may think. Compared to the game in Amsterdam, we are missing six or seven players, five of who started in the 3-2 victory. Beating Northern Ireland is a step in the right direction, but we still need to sharpen up certain aspects of our team. Improving our chemistry is a priority for such a young squad.

    Interviewer: How far away are you from being world champions again – and how prepared are you for the European Championships?

    Löw: The route to the top is never easy. We still have a few more months to improve. Holland needed three years to rebuild; we need time to get there. We have already shown how much quality we have, and the potential is there. We still have Sané, Goretzka, Gündogan, Rüdiger and Schulz to come back and when they are back, and our team is complete, we have a very strong squad.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #4784 Ger90, Sep 10, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2019
    THE BEST GATE STARTER: GNABRY WITH NINE IN TEN IN THE TOP 10
    Already his debut set standards: three hits to the debut in 2016 - albeit against San Marino. Thus, Serge Gnabry set the DFB record, held by Fritz Walter, among others. In the recent 2-0 win in Northern Ireland, the 24-year-old offensive all-rounder scored his ninth goal in his first tenth place, putting him in the top ten.

    For comparison: Germany's record goalscorer Miroslav Klose came "only" to five goals after ten internationals. "Serge makes it really great, he is footballing at an extremely high level," said coach Joachim Loew. "And his odds are overwhelming." In fact: The professional from FC Bayern Munich meets in the DFB-Dress every 86 minutes.

    "But he is not only great because of that", praises Löw, "but because he makes the balls very firm in the front and uses our other players super well." In addition, Gnabry "really good running paths" and is always playable as a target player: "He moves well and smart, so Serge is set for me at the moment the last games were at a very good level."

    Most goals after ten international matches
    Richard Hofmann (Dresdner SC) 11 (from 1927 to 1930)

    Karl Hohmann (VfL Benrath) 11 (1930 to 1934)

    Josef Gauchel (TuS Neuendorf) 11 (1936 to 1939)

    Klaus Fischer (Schalke 04) 11 (1977/1978)

    Fritz Forderer (Karlsruher FV) 10 (1908 to 1912)

    Edmund Conen (FV Saarbrücken) 10 (1934/1935)

    Gerd Müller (Bavaria Munich) 10 (1966 to 1969)

    Helmut Schön (Dresdner SC) 9 (1937 to 1939)

    Hans Schäfer (1st FC Cologne) 9 (1950 to 1954)

    Serge Gnabry (Werder Bremen / Bayern Munich) 9 (since 2016)

    Two players of the DFB history even came in fewer than ten internationals on more goals than the one mentioned here: Gottfried Fuchs ended his career after only six missions with 13 goals, including ten in the historic 16: 0 against Russia at the Olympics 1912 in Stockholm. Ernst Willimowski achieved the same value with eight inserts (1941/1942) before the war also ended his career.
     
  10. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sadly in Bayern lineup Kovac has decided to field his favorite Perisic in starting XI and drop Gnabry to the bench...the whole coaching thing is a complete mess in NT as well as Bayern
     
  11. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    wow - how annoying
     
  13. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What a joke
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    not surprising about Kovac, hes ex Croatia NT coach.
     
  16. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I mean, usually Germany have a lot of Bayern players in the starting eleven, and that's usually been a pillar of the national team, but yesterday there were Neuer, Kimmich, Süle, and Gnabry. However, Kimmich plays as a fullback for Bayern, not as a defensive midfielder, and as you've already pointed out; Gnabry was benched for some weird reason :confused:

    Point is that this Bayern core isn't very strong these days as it has been - so while Neuer, Kimmich, Süle, and Gnabry are starters for Bayern, the core isn't strong enough to translate into success for the national team as it's limited how much Neuer can impact the field game as a goalkeeper. So right now there's a goalkeeper (Neuer) + a center back (Süle) + a fullback (Kimmich) + a winger (Gnabry), and also they have been a central part of a Bayern who struggled last season and was very inconsistent. Also, these players play primarily on Bayern's right side seeing that Kimmich is a right-back, Gnabry's a winger primarily on the right side if Coman's not injured or something and Süle's the center-back closest to Kimmich if I'm not mistaken :unsure:

    I think this potentially could've worked though if Bayern had a midfielder like Schweinsteiger to link the game - I mean, there's Goretzka but he's injury prone and isn't a starter for Bayern really. However, no doubts that Süle, Kimmich, and Gnabry are class-players and Neuer was the only defensive player yesterday with composure for the whole game it felt like :cautious:

    I mean, let's be fair, the defense was a mess in the 1st half yesterday and Germany looked unorganized and all over the pitch the first 20 minutes, and it's become pretty obvious by now that the players lack chemistry and movement when going forward and this is a serious issue too, so I really think that this team could've benefitted from a stronger Bayern core and just overall players knowing each other better as this is what made Germany look pretty good in the Euro's three years ago, a tournament they should've won in the end :whistling:
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah lack of combinations

    E.g it would be better if kimmich and goretzka played midfield together for their club like kroos and schweini did
     
  18. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gnabry wasn't benched in the most recent BL match. He wasn't 100% fit, and the coach wanted to give the new players a start. If we see him on the bench often, then its time to worry.
     
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  19. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think if we have Havertz and Gnabry up front , their attributes compliment each other’s

    Havertz can do some hold up play and have some aerial advantage in the box; Gnabry can do 1v1, can run between lines and find spaces. Both are decent finishers

    In a Two striker system, we don’t need a powerful striker since CF doesn’t have to deal with two opposing CBs. Will be easier for strikers in a two striker formation

    Reus or Brandt can play at AM; or even Goretzka at AM

    I think Kroos, Gundogan and Can In midfield can work. If we wanna do more pressing we can’t play with Kroos , maybe someone else.

    ————————Neuer
    —-Kimmich—Rudiger-Sule—Halstenberg
    ———Can——Goretzka—Gündogan
    ————————Reus
    —————-Havertz—-Gnabry
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it's too funny that Kuntz is much better tactically than the dinosaur Low.:ROFLMAO:
     
  21. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No

    Daniel Niedzkowski is the main reason

    Daniel is also the coaching director in Dfb
     
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol and Daniel is part of Kuntz's staff, where as Low has bums as part of his.

    no different than how Klinsmann was a bum that needed Low. Low was a bum that needed Flick, no Flick and downward spiral.
     
  23. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Marcus Sorg is not a bum at all. Very sensible and has good achievements in youth work

    Loew is always the one to be in charge of Tactics tho. So it’s quite different compared to the U21 system when Kuntz is providing leadership n experience , Daniel N. Doing tactical work

    Sorg can be Di Salvo’s role. I have no problem at all. But Loew need to go and we have a innovative tactician for NT, the. We have another assistant to provide experience n leadership

    I prefer Rangnick and Robert Kraus for NT. will be interesting
     
  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


    Löw: "We decided to form a new team with young players. We continue on this path, because we are convinced of it & rely on these players. We give them our trust, appreciation & support. I'm sure that we can get back to the top of the world with them. They have the potential"

    Löw on Havertz: "Believe me, I know exactly what Kai can do and what qualities he has. He did not skip two U-teams for nothing and came straight from the U19s. But he has strong competition. We're carefully integrating him. Even a Leroy Sané needed his time in the national team"
     
  25. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #4800 Alex C, Sep 11, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2019
    Need to find room for Sane as well, before his injury he was starting to shine for the NT. Maybe a front 3 in a similar system to Liverpool?

    I agree Kroos is unnecessary in this system.
     

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