The referee gave them this one. Might have been a good game if not for a red card in the 8th minute and the game saver for NYC in the 94th. By the way, this is not the first red for Delamea. Im not much of a fan. Arena has his work cut out for him in the off season
Petrescu sucked again today. I think the red for DOGSO was a bit lame, especially in VAR (has to be clear and egregious to overturn), as it might have been "last defender" in the old rule, but the more central defender had a better line to the goal. A lot of times you don't see the penalty called, as the ball was well gone before it. I thought the initial pass on the first NYC goal was offside, but Univision's replay's were always after it and their original angle sucked for seeing offside. Of course, the wacko call of the day was the yellow for handling to NYC for heading the ball. Interesting "tactic" by NYCFC of having a guy passive offside pick or interfere with the last defender so the legal guy can go past. Used at least twice--0% chance of Petrescu seeing that, of course. Stupid play by Delemea, even if the red was not deserved, why do you put yourself in that position as an experienced defender? Good show of heart by the club today, keeping the lead as long as they did.
It was clearly onside on the highlights on MLS.com. My other thoughts are 1. Turner is a stud. The expected goals on 538 were 4.1 for NYC vs 0.5 for NER. He should get called up to the National team 2. I thought the DOGSO red was soft but I can see it. He was in alone on Turner without the foul. 3. On the first goal how do three NYC attackers get behind the defense? NE is up a goal and down a man so everyone knows they are parking the bus. How do they get beat lie that 4. Terrible tackle by Farrel. That is.a penalty every day but wasn't really a dangerous situation. No need to recklessly slide in there
• I know the odds were long, but I was depressed at the end of that game. Despite the fact that they lost, I have never had so much affection for this team. • I would not trade Turner for any keeper in the league right now. • Agudelo did nothing to secure his position in 2020. • Ya, it was a bad tackle, but Farrell was a giant for the other 90'. • Gil, as well, has so much heart. • Another good game, I thought, for Zahibo, whom I had previously thought was useless. • Good luck trying to run around DeJuan Jones. With a couple years of experience, I think he's going to be very good. • Sorry to be a homer, but didn't Delamea get the ball?
Bruce's comments post game tell the story. NYC played hard The Revs played hard Could have been a great game, but these officials were abyssmal
Not the first time he's done it. He seems to get too many cards IMO. I didnt see a red there though. 8 minutes it .... a 1/2 ass red? Kind of ruins what the fans paid to watch. Arena needs to get better defenders if this team is eo ever go anywhere. I think hes making his list of bad guys now. I think we'll see a fair number of changes next Spring
I don't get the red card call at all. It looks to me like Delamea gets the ball and then the player. I am not even sure it should be a foul. If it is a foul, the ball was played away clean and the player was fouled after that. No way it is a red.
I agree on the borderline nature of the call, which is exactly why it should not have been changed from a yellow to a red in VAR -- VAR is now supposed to be for clear and egregious mistakes on red's. I would have less difficulty with it if it had been a red in the first place.
Yeah, saw that too. There's way too much gaming the offsides rule. A high percentage of the attacking game is now devoted to finding ways to beat the offsides rule. I feel like it was ruining the Champion's League, now we see tactics like that here. If two players are in the same vicinity where the ball is played, it shouldn't matter which one is plays the ball - I'm still of the mind of the old wording: 'a player is offside if they are involved in the play or seeking to be involved in the play'. Acting as a dummy/decoy is being involved in the play. -------- The red was horrendous - it's a marginal foul, at best. A slight push to a player already stumbling across his path (and the replays clearly show him over-reacting to the 'push'). Petrescu seems to always find a way to ruin the game. This is a really weak advertisement for MLS. I would think the Revs would have a decent chance to have the suspension overturned - but they may not want to embarrass Petrescu. I'd be interested to hear from any Spanish speakers what the Univision announcers had to say. Anyone? After the red, NYC was able to sneak guys behind Jones over and over again. He seemed to adjust to it late in the first half, but they were able to execute the tactic again (more often by going over Jones instead of playing through balls IIRC). I think Jones needed a lot more help from Penilla tracking back, since Arena clearly wanted the back line staying compact in the middle. I'd be very interested in giving Castillo a shot at left mid when he's fit again - I think it would be a good fit for him skill-wise and mentality (anxious to go forward, good chemistry with Bou and Gil). Crowd seems pretty small in Yankee Stadium because fans are all spread out. And, there really are no good seats. The location for traveling supporters (behind goal) wasn't nearly as good as the sideline seats we had the last time I made this trip - but, again, at that field, you're either at a weird angle or too far from the field. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm getting the feeling that we've peaked and are regressing to our mean. This was a classic bizarro Revs road disaster that we've seen many times over the years.
The univison broadcasters were incredulous that it could be a red and talked about it for a bunch of the broadcast. Anyone who wants to blame Toni for doing his job correctly and being on the receiving end of arguably the dumbest officiating decision of the year needs to recalibrate. Toni wins the race to the ball, plays it cleanly away, and then bumps the player. Thats not even a foul.
I see a fine coming for that. even if it's true. Lets see if the league overturns the red. I saw nothing there except maybe a yellow
English-language univision announcers repeatedly used the word "disaster" referring to the refereeing, and said the referee "ruined" the game with that red card decision. They also said the late penalty decision was correct (which it was, unfortunately). The dumb decision on the penalty will overshadow it, but what a pass from Farrell to set up the goal.
English language announcers? How did you find them? I went old school and listened to Paul and Brad while watching the game.
I know hockey fans used to complain that NHL refs would never call penalties more than halfway through the 3rd period, no matter what, but there really needs to be more discretion. Sure, a foul is a foul, no matter what time in the game it happens, but an early red card really does ruin the game. Unless it's something that's really blatant, it pretty much destroys the normal balance of the game. This happened to the Revs at least a couple of times last year (Atlanta and KC, IIRC), but especially if it is border-line enough that you have to look at it on video to be sure, the refs should just be like Elsa and let it go. I would be saying this if the Revs were on the right side of a call like this too. Sure, I'd feel relieved that it increased the chances of us taking all 3 points, but it's a bit tainted when you know you were given the game on a silver platter. In this case, the fact that we were up by a goal at that point helped us hang in there, but in most cases, it's certain death for that team.
The ratio between the severity of a foul and it's punishment has always been extremely misaligned in the sport of soccer. Yellow cards are overall meaningless and red cards are overall to heavy-handed. On top of that, red cards punishment severity actual gradually decreases over the course of a game. A 10th minute red is so much worse than an 80th. Many of the rule changes from FIFA and IFAB have been targeted at making the rules more clear cut and remove interpretation. This is all good, but with it, you need to update the antiquated punishment system. Referees can no longer balance out the punishment ratio using their human intuition because they are expected to act like robots. This is why we need hockey's penalty box, or as IFAB calls it, tempory dismissal. Let's just say Tony's tackle was a clear DOGSO. Should a team play with a full man disadvantage for the rest of the match just because they illegally prevented the OPPORTUNITY to score a goal. No. Should they play maybe 10 minutes down a man? That seems a bit fairer. That 10 minutes is also consistent throughout the match (Well, until the 81st minute and beyond). It's also an adjustable number that can be tuned over time to better fit modern times of the sport. Different fouls can have different time lengths, keeping the severity ratio intact.
I'll go along with a "sin bin". I've argued in the past that if a player gets red carded and the team has a sub available, then they can replace that player. In basketball if a player gets a T and is ejected, the team gets to replace them. They don't have to play 4 v 5 for the remainder of the game. You are penalizing the whole team for the actions of 1 player. IMHO that's not fair play. The DOGSO rule has gotten out of hand. I remember when the center backs would unmercifully wipe out forwards who got behind them. Take the yellow and give up a free kick from 40 yards out. I was happy to see the rule put in place. It pretty much stopped that from happening. Now the refs seem to look for reasons to use the rule. I remember a couple of years ago when they red carded a player in the goalie box as last defender, ridiculous!!
We were never going to run the table and NYCFC is a pretty darn good club. While it was a disaster ending, that they held on a man down for as long as they did AND had chances to boot makes me lean to the 'half full' vs. 'half empty' side of the emotional spectrum. (How's that for a converted NNN!)