US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

Since you agree this is entertainment, what do you say to the fact that only in 2018 did the women draw more total fans to home games? Beau Dure has a 9 or 10 year comparison of both attendance and TV ratings. I highly recommend you peruse them and become familiar before resting on the "entertainment" argument.

 

that has never worked in any sport

people just leave it doesn't make people watch the second match its a huge investment to stay for two matches back to back in that kind of place especially if you have kids with you that is tough not to mention really expensive.

 

I am curious about this

on one side you are saying that men are just naturally bigger/stronger/more talented then women so that makes it tougher to complete in the men's sport. what does that have to do with the 'work' being the same? Don't the weaker/small/less talented women have to overcome those disadvantages to compete? or are you saying that women don't have to do that because of the lack of talent/ability meaning that any group of 23 women could win the world cup there isn't any real work that goes into it like the men?

 

I have been to multiple doubleheaders and if you look at the highest attended matches in the US, 20 of the top 100 (that's about 20%) were actually doubleheaders. MLS even piggybacked on the USWNT WWC semifinal game in 1999. I went to a Gold Cup doubleheader this year in KC, for the US v. Panama and T&T v. Guyana. Sure the stadium wasn't full for the T&T/Guyana match, but there were a lot more people there than had it been a stand alone match. I went to US v. Mexico doubleheader with the Galaxy and Mutiny, believe me, people stuck around. You can play the undercard first or second, it will still help.

https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/highest-attended-soccer-matches-us-history

 

sorry I guess I wasn't clear what I mean is that double headers like that people don't tend to stick around and there is also no evidence that it creates long lasting interest in the second product that is trying to be sold to the fans.

I am just saying what the nwsl is missing isn't a double header with the victory tour.

 

After all, it was the women's side that started claiming they were "better" than the men. Which may be true in a relative sense, given the competition they play against, but it certainly isn't true in the absolute sense.

If the women's side is going to argue that they're better at their job then the men, they shouldn't get offended when people point out the disparity in the quality of play.

 

Wait, you mean they have to put up with contrary opinion/deal with inconvenient fact? How will they have their cake whilst also eating it?

 

Yup, the narrative that the USWNT and their supporters in the media have tried to craft is that they do the same job as the men's team, do it better, and get paid less.

The real situation is that they do a different job then the men's team for a different pay structure that they willingly agreed to, and that reflects the priorities of the women players (or, at least, the in-group of popular girls who play for the USWNT).

If the federation offered them the exact same pay structure as the men, does anyone think they'd agree to it?

 

The NWSL has breaks in its schedule for the remaining Victory Tour games, except for one conflicting game (Orlando vs. Washington on Aug. 31).

 

I don't think this is correct, SUM "bought" the rights for Non-world cup games and perhaps home qualifiers.

FIFA owns all the World cup TV rights correct?

 

SUM bought the rights from FIFA. They sold them to ESPN with the requirement that they would also take the MLS TV rights. At the time, MLS was actually paying ESPN/ABC for airtime. By bundling the rights with the World Cup it guaranteed a national TV presence for MLS.

 

Got it, thank you, if I would have clicked on the link for the story I could have found it.

SUM gets a lot of hate from the fans, but hey they made it possible to have English broadcasting in 2002.

If this is correct, the average English rating for the 2002 WC was 1,978 for over the air (10 matches) and 962 for cable broadcasts (65 games).

https://www.nielsen.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/04/WorldCupFactSheet_2010.pdf

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insig...up-revisited-120-million-u-s-viewers-in-2006/

 

you keep making that silly analogy its silly the women are paid different they dont want the same contract so saying every fifth post...'I bet if they offered them the men's contract....'

Maybe since you hate the women so much...stop posting about them?

just trying to give some friendly advice its tough to see you so upset about it.

 

Was just trying to help I mean most people lean towards hobbies they enjoy. We get it you don't think women and men are equals the women wouldn't take the men's contract if offered and they lost to u u9 team by 109 goals, men>women so they should get paid more in ur eyes. You really don't like women we get it. You just seem unusually angry about it all like it's a personal insult to you.

 

Hit the manic phase again, did ya?

 

It's quite possible he likes women but just doesn't like those women.

 

Even more disturbing is the homophobic connotation embedded in the ramblings, because it's entirely possible that someone "doesn't like women" because he is gay...

 

This discrepancy is fairly amazing:

Alex Morgan 250 K in salary, 5.5 million in endorsements!

I wonder if any male athlete has that kind of discrepancy?

Forbes' list of highest-paid female athletes, @alexmorgan13 is No. 12 at $5.8 million, mostly via endorsements. #uswnt https://t.co/4KmPld6NbA

— Steven Goff (@SoccerInsider) August 6, 2019

 

What's the implication here? That such a "discrepancy" is good or bad? Neutral?

 

That 250k doesn't include bonuses.

 

That kind of discrepancy is more common in individual sports, but yes it happens for male athletes.

Look at Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_list_of_the_world's_highest-paid_athletes

 

Just that it's interesting.

It may say something about how low her salary is compared to other athletes who can make over $5 million in endorsement money...

 

Well, male or female, individual athletes don't have a salary...

 

Cool. Neither do men's national team soccer players.

 

Thank you, celito.

so, both sides make stupid arguments.

But only one side is making the stupid incel argument ON THIS FORUM.