2018-19 Roster Movement Thread

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by vividox, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Just coming here to see if this popped.

    Stunning. He is incredibly highly regarded around the league. He is brought in for a lot of the league run stuff like the annual Player Combine.

    I know we've had a lot of injuries this year, but that's one of those odd cyclical things. The wording is pretty terse and formal.
     
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  2. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm actually surprised this didn't happen earlier. Between the multiple years of "Sporting Flat" and the fiasco with this year's early season over training, he's made enough peaking mistakes to justify this move. It's clear he doesn't fully grasp peaking or the need to build base fitness before applying advanced training methods geared toward manipulation of VO2 and hematocrit. He could learn a lot from studying the training methods of sports like triathlon and cycling.

    Plus, PV needs a scape goat for the stupidity exhibited during CCL.
     
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  3. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It is rather terse. It sounds like a falling out sort of parting of ways, and maybe not so much about the injuries as more recent disagreements on the pace of returning players to the first team.
    That said, while highly regarded, one area in which SKC should be able to recruit about the best there are, world-wide, is in fitness guru. Pinnacle is pretty spectacular, and matches up well with the best setups in Europe.
     
  4. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Total speculation, and probably completely off base, but as someone who has worked in mixed corporate environments, it has the feel of what happens when someone is given large amounts of autonomy over long periods of time, then suddenly attention is drawn and management wants to "get involved" and "help".

    With all the injuries and issues, and the on field product struggling, I can see some awkward meetings and bruised pride and egos behind closed doors.

    Or it could be something completely mundane like a needed change of scenery.
     
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  5. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you nailed it with the first scenario
     
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  6. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Signed Cameron Duke as a HGP today
     
  7. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    We have 7 internationals right now. Fontas, Croizet, Nemeth, Barath, Gutierrez, Russell for sure I think. Who else, Gerso? Ilie?
     
  9. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hasler
     
  10. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dumping either would be next to impossible because of their salaries and MLS roster rules on waiving players on guaranteed contracts (because let’s be honest, no one is paying a transfer fee for either). Much more likely we trade 2020 _AM for a spot.
     
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  11. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I realize how crappy those contracts and players are. Just dreaming. Thanks for the buzz kill!
     
  12. kckicker23

    kckicker23 Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    KC
    This makes the trade for Feilhaber look even worse, since we had to give up an International Slot along with Abdul Rwatubyaye. Which was necessitated in part because trading for Kelyn Rowe was an absolute disaster.

    The roster management this year has just been terrible.
     
  13. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Took a few gambles - those went sour. Continued to depend on a ragged, aging core - that's gone sour. Built a roster with minimal salary and workaround flexibility - that's looking sour too.

    That said, some things that have happened are not roster problems. Salloi has gone completely cold. We had every reason to suspect he'd have knocked in half a dozen goals by now at least. He's been a general nonfactor since he got injured against Portland in the playoffs. Swagger just went awol.
     
  14. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We still would have to make a roster move for this signing cuz Rwatubyaye took the international roster spot we traded.
     
  15. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Curse of the no-look goal?!
     
  16. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not just this year. I've been on the roster management soapbox for a few years. From the scouting that only hits on about half its non US players (Fontas, Croizet, Marin, Bieler, etc were so wrong), to the decisions to re-sign all of the old core group, to the reliance on MLS free agents that hasn't worked once. It's bad and why SKC are in a deep hole.
     
  17. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Only arguing that Bieler wasn't that bad. He was pretty okay. We just expected more as a hyped DP 9 move. I'd say he's our best striker import in SKC history, but I'm probably forgetting someone.
     
  18. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What teams hit on over 50% of their foreign signings over the same length of time? Yes, because of how KC builds their roster they probably can’t afford to miss as much, but pretty much every team is around 50% for their international signings over the same period of time.
     
  19. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a whole bunch of others I didn't list like Claros, all Hatians, half the Spaniards hes brought in and on and in. His hit rate is probably less then half. Plus the recent misses are all big dollar shit contracts. You can't have that.

    Not to mention he looked at Fontas and Ike, after Fontas had been year a half season, and said "let's keep the slow guy who can't mark a 40 year old and is paid three times what the former MLS defender of the year, who also scores goals".

    Peter has had a really bad two years with the roster. He's the anti Midas.
     
  20. Formulaic

    Formulaic Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is out of contract at the end of the year that we can ditch?

    Fontas, croizet, zusi, nemeth, besler, espinoza are all overpaid and I can't imagine anyone paying for them. It really bums me out that we've seen our core become old and overpaid. I don't want to hate on them but man, the crash is happening hard and fast.
     
  21. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'm not sure anyone on a sizable contract is.
     
  22. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #472 Buzz Killington, Jul 26, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2019
    According to my information I have here are the contract expiration dates

    2019
    Sinovic
    Medranda (2020 option)
    Salloi (2020, 2021 options)
    Zendjeas (2020 option)
    Gerso (2020 option)
    Dick (2020, 2021 options)
    Smith (2020, 2021 options)
    Wallace
    Zelalem (2020, 2021 options)
    Hasler
    Feilhaber (2020 option)
    Nemeth
    Hurtado (2020)

    2020
    Besler
    Melia (2021 option)
    Espinoza
    Busio (2021, 2022 options)
    Croize (2021 option)
    Russell (2021 option)
    Gutierrez (2021 option)
    Kuzain (2021, 2022 options)

    2021
    Zusi
    Ilie (2022 option)
    Lindsey (2022 option)

    2022
    Fontas
    Freeman (2023 option)
    Duke (2023 option)
     
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  23. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Yeah. So our worst deadweights are deadweights for a long while. Wallace, Feilhaber, and Nemeth are about the only overpaid guys who we might waive.

    I don't think anyone expects Benny to get another season. I felt like it was pretty sure he was gonna retire at the end.
     
  24. Formulaic

    Formulaic Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes. Fontas and zusi really killing us. Thanks for the info.
     
  25. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rowe I think is 2019, forgot him.
     

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