US vs Jamaica: post game

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  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Arriola plays on the right wing for DC United. GGG asked him to play left, but he's a right footed player. That's where the comparison with Lewis fails.
     
  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Please tell me you didn't honestly think that.
     
  3. notebook

    notebook Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    Is it worth giving Arriola a look at Left Back? I think we have gotten enough looks to know that Arriola is not a good international level winger. He just doesn't have the quality. A decent depth option, late game defensive sub etc, but we are hopefully not starting Arriola at winger a few years down the road

    Arriola is my favorite DC United player. Great team guy, works his ass off, plays all over the place and is a fairly good MLS winger. But even at DC United, he has played some games at Outside Back (mostly Right Back) in favor of different options up front.
     
  4. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read that on another site (support of women's team). Then I saw the player tracking explanation.
     
  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Without injury, I'd imagine this roster would have contained Brooks, Adams, Lleget, Sargent instead of Mihailovic, Lewis, Cannon and I'd bet, Omar.

    Maybe not a perfect 23, but can we stop acting as if this is even the 23 Berhalter wanted?

    Why is Mihailovic here? Because he was invited to camp as a young, rising 20 year old prospect then saw two players in front of him on the depth chart get hurt.
     
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  6. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    I see very few similarities, to be honest. Eddie struck a very clean ball and played tactically intelligently and stayed wide. Arriola drifts into the channel inside the other team’s wing back and does it more with speed and determination. He also is bigger on just keeping the ball moving than looking for an opportunity for the well-hit long ball/shot/cross which Lewis knew was his strength.
     
  7. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arriola was a very clean player in Mexico. But he was about as predictable as it gets. Try and get to the end line w/ speed.

    In MLS he's expanded his game to be unpredictable, but that goes for himself too. He doesn't know what he's going to do before he receives the ball. That's I think why it often takes too long or bounces off his foot. I don't think anything about Europe is going to solve that this far into his life. His instincts are to be paint-by-numbers. Blame his Mexican club(s) in his formative years for that if anything.

    I like the idea of moving him back to fb, and entertained it myself. It would take advantage of his work-rate, speed, two-footedness, and crossing when he has a little time. It's insane to be playing such dross at lb as now.
     
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  8. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Other thoughts -

    Steffens pretty clean, hopefully more reps with the ball at his feet will help him improve.

    Ream is a tweeter as a left back - maybe small and weak in the air for a center back, slow and low on attacking skills for a center back. Miazga played well but has a crucial lapse. Cannon is probably better than Lima.

    Rolland did well in that improvised role, though I thought it was an excessively defensive sub rather early.

    And Pulisic is so good that if the rest of the team manages to play the opponent pretty easily, he can turn losses into draws and draws into 2-goal wins. He and Wes have better habits and hustle of getting themselves into position than anyone else in the pool and it isn’t close.
     
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  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    You're not wrong about Arriola. He does a lot of great stuff. And I think people absolutely underestimate what his defensive work rate allows Pulisic to do. He can basically do what he wants in part because everyone knows Arriola won't. stop. running.

    But Arriola's not a great one on one player. He's not a great crosser or a great passer. And he's a well below-average finisher. He knows it. He's admitted it.

    He's got to work on that.

    Luckily for the US, we have a rich man's Arriola in the wings. Tim Weah is fast, has a high work rate, plays well in the two man game and makes FANTASTIC runs behind the defense. He's better than Arriola in the latter two and a bit worse in the former but pretty closer all around.

    He's also not a great crosser, one on one guy or finisher. But he's materially better than Arriola at all three, younger, and more likely to improve.

    Arriola's not terrible. But we are scoring when we have 1-2 competent finishers in the front four to five. Imagine if all of them are at least average.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Altidore looks like his weight has really ballooned. And he was slow in his reactions and slow in pace. He did have some solid hold up plays but also a couple of dangerous turnovers.

    The team appeared to have switched to more of a double pivot, with McKennie and Bradley, much closer together. Bradley was still a defensive turnstile, but the team had better attacking flow.

    This was McKennie's best match since the Portugal game. His passing from deep positions was quality. Both he and probably lost the ball too much in those deep positions, though.

    The Arriola-Pulsic interchange was excellent. Jamaica were forced to adjust, which opened up space on the right for the play that led to the 3rd goal.

    CP looked comfortable in running the game and leading the team.

    Zardes. !$@%$

    The US were carved opened too easily in my opinion. But maybe the plan was to play loose, given Jamaica's horrible finishing. Mexico should provide more clarity.

    The pattern of play reminded of Bob Bradley's Run 'n Gun US.
     
  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I've seen Zardes' mom's starting XI, and Jozy is is written in up top.
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    5 goals and 5 assists in 18 games worth of minutes is a nice return for complimentary player.
     
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  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will raise my hand as one who thought we would lose after the display vs Curacao.

    First 15 minutes was great to see.

    Bit shaky after that.

    Have all the panty wringers chilled now that Altidore got a start? Hell, it was pretty obvious that Zardes was just a placeholder to provide a baseline and demonstrate the system (like Trapp) while everyone got up to speed (& Jozy got fit/healthy).

    Still a long way to go & much left to figure out (MF dynamics, Pulisic's best spot) and Berhalter still has not had the whole pool available at once (Brooks, Adams, Yedlin, Weah, etc). But promising to see some guys prove they are at least squad players and others who may push to start (Long, Arriola, Cannon, Boyd).

    Still, the best signs are that we have found a way to make Pulisic influential, found a way where Bradley/McKennie works in CM, and are getting Altidore integrated.

    Sprinkle in some more of the youbger guys (Weah, Sargent, + others) & the injured guys (Adams, Brooks, Yedlin) & I may start to be optimistic.

    FWIW, we could tie Mexico with 7 Gold Cups if we win. Overall CONCACAF Titles (Gold Cups/CONCACAF Championships):

    1. Mexico = 10 (7/3).
    2. USA = 6 (6/0).
    3. Costa Rica = 3 (0/3)
    4. Canada = 2 (1/1).
    5. Haiti = 1 (0/1).
    6. Guatemala = 1 (0/1).
    7. Honduras = 1 (0/1).
     
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  14. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Baird is positionally sound. Coaches love guys who follow instructions.

    Fast too and contributes on the offense. Looks like a good buy for somebody.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Sorry for the snark. The internet is a dangerous place to trust.

    The data teams are working with now is pretty crazy. It's a bummer so much of it is proprietary, but the movement elements in this sport ... it'd be really interesting to see what network modeling could do with it.
     
  16. rashaverak1961

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jul 23, 2017
    Zardes (despite last game heroics) has an annoying tendency to lean backward and sky his shots well over the bar. Not putting that golden opportunity on frame was criminal. Needs to stay over the ball.

    Needs to stay on the bench.
     
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  17. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Their goal is basically the definition of didn't need to happen, Zardes swiped of possession, ball wide to Ream's man, crossed in to a guy Miazga isn't within yards of.

    Brooks and Miazga, to me, are better marking space than people. The further we get from people whose "defensive prowess" is standing in line and hoping the other team plays into that, the better.
     
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  18. rashaverak1961

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jul 23, 2017
    Nick Lima on the left, please.

    When Ream has the ball, I get that same squeamish feeling as when Bocanegra handled the ball under pressure. Neither has a right foot. At least Bocanegra passed it forward (usually long, Route 1 passes that went to the opposition).
     
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  19. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Pulisic has 19 G+A in 21 competitive matches for the US, with either all of them or nearly all of them coming as a CAM.

    He has tremendous freedom of movement in the slot he's in. He's dominating.

    Why are the vast majority still so insistent he be moved to wing? Is he going to average 2 G+A there?
     
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  20. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't get the comments about about Arriola, especially those that wish him replaced (and, consequently, the entire front organization re-adjusted from its barely stable current condition). Just like I don't get the boringly repetitive criticisms of Michael Bradley. Right now, the team is in transition from an awful situation in which there were simply not enough adequate players. The team is in a different place, now.

    The last tryout for the Gold Cup final game was last night. After that, the tryouts for the next version of the national team begin. For most of the players, it is back to square one. That includes Arriola and Bradley. Berhalter's responsibility is to organize for future success, with a nod toward current success. Toward that end, he will be looking more or less closely at all the U-20s and some of the U-17s (e.g., Giovanni Reyna). The result will be a greatly expanded player pool, with Berhalter watching the newbies in person and via video, with an eye toward creating an invitation list for the next party.

    Also, as much as everyone wants to see Adams in the squad and successful, pigeon-holing him into the #6 position may not be the best for the team either now or in the future. That's a complete wait-and-see IMHO (including Berhalter's right side defender preference). Also, I loved Pomykal in the U-20s. His availability may change everyone's thinking. The point is USMNT player resources are starting to change very quickly. Berhalter has already shown his ability to put together a successful group (last night) that surprised almost everyone. I'm beginning to think that he will continue to do that with all the emerging young talent.

    The bottom line is that the next roster will, in all likelihood, have new, young guys in it and some of the current guys will be gone. I wouldn't be surprised if 50% or more of the game roster is new within 12 mo. I know speculation about the squad makeup based on current game performance is fun, but it has its limits.
     
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  21. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Was nice to see that Metrostars/RedBull back line in action last night. Jozy an alumni also.
     
  22. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The merging of video with GPS data is interesting. You could literally make a high quality computer game (FIFA 2018 or Pro Evolution, for example) replica for each match.
     
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  23. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Web message boards thrive on snark. It's expected.
     
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  24. gnk

    gnk Member+

    Nov 1, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yedlin too
     
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  25. gnk

    gnk Member+

    Nov 1, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Needs to stay off the roster.
     
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