Re: Juve vs Milan Juve, Moggi gioca il big match col Milan: "Del Piero segnerà due goal" Ven 17 Dic, 11:13 AM Luciano Moggi é stato chiaro: "Juve-Milan la vinciamo noi". Il dg bianconero pronostica con altrettanto malcelato ottimismo: "Doppietta di Del Piero e tutti a casa". Luciano Moggi: "We'll win Juve vs Milan" "Del Piero will score 2, then everybody can go home" Forza Milan
Re: Juve vs Milan Meanwhile, Rossoneri President Silvio Berlusconi has also looked ahead to the Scudetto showdown. "The best team will win, which is Milan," said the chief. "After all, we have players like Kaka and Shevchenko.
Re: Juve vs Milan Yeah you should have taken advantage! And the reason the word "pseudorandom" amused me is because in Italy there cannot be anything that is truly random. Everything is gonna be....pseudorandom....if you know what I mean.
Re: Juve vs Milan for some reason i think this clash with juve might end in a 2-2 or even a 3-3 draw, we are going to attack them for as much as they attack us, i wasn`t impressed by thier last weekend`s 1-0 controversial away win over bologna still i expect to see a tight midfield battle between the roving emerson, the creative nedved and appiah with kaka, pirlo and gattuso. i`m also worried about the form of Zlatan Ibrahimovic who has been playing well if his partnership with del piero clicks, hopefully crespo can continue his outstanding display and sheva will keep thier defence marshalled by cannavaro and thuram aleart all evening even it has been rock solid. well see you game time...
Re: Juve vs Milan Usually I'm very cautious but I believe we'll win 3-0 (stuckup). Official lineup: -----------------------------Dida Cafu---------------Nesta-------------Maldini--------Kaladze -----------------------------Pirlo ------Gattuso------------------------------------Seedorf -----------------------------Kaka -------------------Sheva------------Crespo Forza Milan
Re: Juve vs Milan Wow, I new Juve wasn't in great form, but tis is pathetic. Nedved hasn't completed a single pass and Del Piero is a complete ghost. This one is in the bag for sure
Re: Juve vs Milan That might be a premature statement, but you certainly deserve the 3 points from what I've seen so far...
Re: Juve vs Milan We really should have took all three points today. If a bit of luck went our way(Sheva hitting the post, bad offsides calls, etc.) it would have been a just result. Juve did start to turn it around in the second half but this was not the performance of a champion. I think Juve will slip up in January paving the way for Milan to pass them.
I agree with you, Spartak. As I posted in the Juve thread - except defensively - Juventus did not not play like a team going for championships. Del Piero's performance was a disgrace.
I don't know how you could cheer for a team like Juve after a performance like that; in practically every area of the game they were being synnical. Bringing on Tacchinardi for Blasi? What a miserable spectable and more punishment for the Italian Football image. Zebina and Emerson you are both ruthless butchers (in every sense of the word) and I hope you both drop dead. Milan, what can I say? They were handed the ball by Juve at times yet they could not offer that final touch. I'd say the best chance was Pirlo on 89 minutes when he just skimmed the post on a close drive. Although Sheva was brilliant with his efforts, he needs to pass the ball (I think in one instance he tried to shoot from midfield and it made him look foolish) because almost everyone is capable of scoring, so no more selfish shots please. Other than that Milan is in devastating form and should not be mentally defeated about how Juve defended, they should not forget that Dida was only ever tested once the entire match. My only concern is Milan peaking too early in the season and how that could be detrimental to Serie A and the CL?
Canz, I believe that we've just started picking up form, a bit like last year. On the game: we absolutely dominated the game, we hit a post, as Bergomi and Vialli have just said "Milan possibly denied a penalty, pssibly even 2", wrong offside call on Sheva in front of Buffon (6th minute 2nd half), another possible goal chance denied when Kaka was stoped with ball heading towards goal, 8 corners to 1. I think that luck, as usual this season, favoured Juve. Forza Milan P.S. Respect for Professor Billy.
What Milan have been going through the motions for he first 3 months of the season. And after they play two straight outstanding games you're worried they have peaked too soon? Leave it to Canzano to always find something negative about playing well They are now playing like the team they were last year and it is the right time to do so. Nobody wins the scudetto in Decemeber. Milan have set themselves up for the second half of the season with a good shot at lo scudetto. They have rotated the squad and they will get Stam and Inzaghi back in the second half of the season. I'm getting more and more optimistic about this teams chances of either the CL or scudetto again. If they can walk into Delle Alpi and completely dominate Juve than they can do that to anyone left in the CL.
Re: Juve vs Milan Good thing I was right. What a hideous spectacle compared to the Arse-Chelsea game of one week ago. Juve's midfield went completely MIA, and Nedved had a TERRIBLE game. How do you manage one shot on goal when facing Costacurta, and then Pancaro for half the game too? At home? Oh - right, Zlatan's badly overrated, that's how. I've never liked Zlatan, and he's kind of a dirty player into the bargain. Lots of elbows and studs into unpleasant places. Milan should have won, but Thuram, Cannavaro and especially Zambrotta played great games. Crespo was a passenger, today, and Kaka was off. A lot of his shots went all over the place. Well, in a battle of AC Sheva vs. FC Nedved, neither player played especially well (although he didn't have a bad game) and thus no goals scored. Incidentally, the officiating was fine except for that bizarre no advantage call. Weird. Although that offiside offical - bad game. P.S. Who was that ugly old woman wearing Camoranesi's jersey? The one that was seen about 4 times on the pitch.
Right. I think I'll be a Milan fan now. Just as soon as you promise to change your allegiance the next time Milan has a poor performance.
Ratings in Italian: Serie A: le pagelle di Juventus-Milan Sab 18 Dic, 11:23 PM Le pagelle di Juventus-Milan, terminata 0-0. JUVENTUS Buffon 6.5 - Sempre sulle spine, sebbene poco protagonista. Vede le streghe più volte, aiutato dalla difesa e dalla buona sorte. Sempre reattivo in ogni occasione. Cannavaro F. 6.5 - Uno dei migliori della Juve. In difesa toglie spesso le castagne dal fuoco, fa valere la sua esperienza e nel finale sfiora il gol vittoria, che sarebbe stato forse troppo. Thuram 7 - Nel primo tempo da brividi della Juve è il migliore della squadra di Capello. Salva provvidenzialmente un paio di situazioni disperate e per tutta la gara è un baluardo indiscutibile. Zebina 5 - In due interventi fallosi piuttosto evidenti in area viene graziato da Bertini. Ripropone vecchie lacune romaniste. Blasi 5 - Gira a vuoto per buona parte della gara, lasciando sguarniti ampi tratti della mediana juventina. Camoranesi 5 - Fumoso ed inconsistente. Accusa anche un certo ritardo atletico. Emerson 6.5 - Erige una diga d`emergenza nella prima frazione onde limitare l`urto dei milanisti. Nella ripresa è uomo ovunque con intelligenza ed umiltà. Nedved 5 - Troppo nervoso, perde nettamente il confronto con il nuovo pallone d`oro Shevchenko, cui cede lo scettro in questa serata. Zambrotta 6.5 - Uno dei pochi juventini che si salvano nella serata storta della Signora. Suo il primo vero tiro in porta della Juve. Del Piero 4 - Evanescente e sterile per il gioco juventino. Esce di scena senza rimpianti alla fine del primo tempo. Fantasma. Ibrahimovic 5.5 - Molto impegno e movimento, ma nulla di particolarmente concreto. Pochi palloni per lui, quei pochi mal giocati. Commette troppi falli. Tacchinardi s.v. - Dall`80` al posto di Blasi. Apparizione nel finale. Partecipa di striscio alle barricate finali. Zalayeta 5.5 - Dal 46` al posto di Del Piero. Non riesce ad invertire la tendenza di una serata out. All.Capello 6 - Il suo merito è quello di saper gestire bene l`emergenza atletica, tecnica e tattica della squadra. Limita i danni alla perfezione, anche con l`aiuto della fortuna. MILAN Dida 6.5 - Praticamente mai impegnato nella prima frazione, resta sempre attentissimo e prontissimo quando viene chiamato in causa. Nel finale di gara è bravo e fortunato. Cafu 6.5 - Svolge con diligenza il suo compito in fascia e fa tutto con straordinaria semplicità. Costacurta 7.5 - All`ultimissimo minuto sostituisce l`acciaccato Maldini. Si fa trovare prontissimo alla bisogna confermandosi grande campione senza età. Kaladze 6 - Un avvio di gara scoppiettante, poi si sistema nella sua zona di competenza. Nesta 7 - Ottima spalla del sempreverde Costacurta. Molto bene gli automatismi difensivi che lo vedono protagonista. Gattuso 7.5 - Partita di qualità e sostanza. Lotta come un leone su tutti i palloni e spinge la squadra fino all`ultimo minuto. Kakà 5.5 - Travolgente nei primi dieci minuti di gara, in seguito si siede sugli allori e non è abbastanza tempestivo nel liberare Shevchenko. Poteva fare di più. Pirlo 7.5 - Riesce ad orchestrare con sapienza la manovra rossonera. Ispirato ed efficace. Seedorf 7 - Fantasia, potenza, resistenza fisica. Soprattutto nel primo tempo è straripante. Gli manca soltanto il gol. Crespo 6.5 - Pericolosa mina vagante per la difesa bianconera. Carente soltanto al momento del tiro. Atterrato in area ad inizio gara, era un intervento da rigore. Shevchenko 7 - Gli manca soltanto il gol. Si fa vedere sotto porta, conclude da ogni posizione e difende bene palla in fase ofensiva. Non riesce a festeggiare con un gol il Pallone d`Oro, ma vince nettamente il confronto con il suo predecessore Nedved. Pancaro 6 - Dal 63` al posto di Kaladze. Dà il suo onesto contributo nel forcing finale. All.Ancelotti 7 - Tutto perfetto, non si discute la superiorità del suo Milan. Ma manca alla sua squadra la zampata vincente in un`occasione di chiara superiorità. ARBITRO Bertini 4 - Direzione negativa. Non ravvisa due rigori netti per i rossoneri. Zebina trattiene Crespo e lo fa cadere su cross di Shevchenko. Poco dopo Zebina frana su Kaladze sugli sviluppi di un corner. Fischia dimostrando sempre poca tranquillità. Ammonisce solo Thuram e per farlo ferma un contropiede del Milan facendo infuriare Ancelotti. Andava sanzionato con una punizione anche un fallo di mano di Costacurta (involontario, ma netto) su cross di Ibrahimovic. Non all`altezza, il problema è che si sapeva. Collina dove sei?
It was unfortunate that kaladze had to leave the game, he was really doin good for the time he did play, i didnt really like crespos performance, he looked to clumbsy with the ball. ah well, wish we had tomasson, but about birdman ibramhimovic, i dooo not like him at all reasons - unknown.
Yeah, Kaladze has finally gotten back to the form he showed during the 2002/03 season. Pancaro is waste and hopefully Kaladze isn't out too long.
The ratings above are bizarre. They're suggesting that Billy had a better game than Nesta? Billy kept giving away needless FKs, whereas Nesta was flawless all game. And the refereeing a 4? I thought save for that one advantage call the ref did nothing wrong. (Which in Italy is a minor miracle.) Weird. As for Kaladze, Spartak, I'm not so sure. In the first 25 minutes when Juve were actually considering going forward ALL their attacks went his way, not without some success. Either they have no left sided players to throw against Cafu, or they considered Kakha the weaker link. I thought he looked OK, but not great. The LB on the other side was much better.
I thought Buffon had all those shots pretty well covered. Maybe the last one was a little close. But I think he had a pretty good game.
Here's the problem, you're comparing Kaladze to Zambrotta and I'm comparing him to Pancaro It's true that most of Juve's attacks were down Kaladze's flank(I think that has more to do with Del Piero being invisible on the opposite flank). And they felt they could take advantage of Kaladze. But they didn't do anything against him. Plus, Kaladze was great going forward totally outplaying Zebina in their battle. You could tell the difference when Pancaro came in and his attacks were so slow and killed Milan's attacks.
We should of had the win. If Pirlo had put that ball in the net, it would've been great. Pirlo really played great. He should be on the national team everytime they play. Juventus was really horrible. This shows that when Juventus faces a good team, their not as good as their all hyped up to be. Maybe Parma can beat them on Jan. 6th. (highly doubt it). The game I'm waiting for is Cagliari-Juventus. I think Cagliari can do the job...
I didn't think Pancaro had that bad of a game. But then again, his offense tends to be different. I thought Kaladze had a mediocre game, which isn't a bad thing against a side like Juve. Of course, he ouptlayed Zebina. But I've never considered that a particularly impressive accomplishment. Zebina was the one defender I thought had a poor game for Juve. I think Zambrotta is still the class of LBs in Italy, and will be for likely another year or two, the best in the world.
The team will reach the peak in the right time (beginning of February), canzano, don't worry about it.