WWC19 USA v ENGLAND Semifinal, pre/pbp/post

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alex Morgan's former Orlando Pride teammate Lianne Sanderson didn't like the tea celebration.

     
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  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Anybody score on it?
     
  3. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    In some ways this team reminds me of the 2002 Brazilian men's WC team. Even though they had tremendous talent, they still played conservatively at the end of matches to preserve leads against teams like Turkey. You do what you need to do to advance and win the WC.
     
  5. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it was mentioned somewhere but I'm not sure if it was in this thread. Press's arms and smile upward after scoring were her thinking of her mom who passed away earlier this year. She said, "I was thinking of my mom. My whole career I played for my mom."

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  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If someone did this, I would not come remotely close to criticizing it. Both would be legitimate critiques, made on a world stage.
     
  7. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    LOL. We didn’t colonize the moon.
     
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  8. Dundalk24

    Dundalk24 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    PA/OH
    On a couple of British forums. Most see the tea celebration as a non-issue.
     
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  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Probably why those offended came here. They got no sympathy amongst their own.
     
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  10. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What? You'd rather concede a goal than not concede a goal by sitting back and nursing a lead? Or did I misunderstand what you mean?
     
  11. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These last three Matches have been wonderfully agonizing. When I get back, I’m spending 3 months
    • In the hospital, or
    • In therapy, or
    • On vacation
    Can’t add much except US fans keep showing up - hard to describe the thunderous ovation they received when taking the pitch for warmups.
    Got my first glimpse of the Orange Army today. Interesting bunch, they seem to migrate in packs of 15 or 25.:D

    Most everyone in Lyon are staying near downtown to do touristy things. I chose to stay near the stadium out in the boonies. However, I will humbly accept the privileged task of acting as sentry for the stadium until 4 days from now when our ladies return to retain what is rightfully OURS.
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  12. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    #662 Kevin625, Jul 3, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2019
    LOL... the referee didn't make the offsides call... VAR did, and they consistently called it the exact same way with the exact same precision as they have all tournament.

    Soooooo, you're actually whining that they didn't change the rules to benefit England in this case. LMFAO!

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    PS - In the 76th minute against France, they took back Tobin Heath's goal after review on an offsides call that was even closer than the one called back in the USA-ENG game.

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  13. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I mean, the US women’s team shouldn’t/doesn’t need to play like the US men’s team. The men sit back and absorb pressure because when they play outside of CONCACAF (hell, these days even within CONCACAF), that’s all they can do. They can’t match the play of stronger countries.

    The woman are the top ranked country in the world. It’s a bit mind boggling that they would NEED to play that style of game that just begs to be attacked on over and over for a long stretch of time... I’m sure it goes back to, that’s how teams historically played against them, so now they get that mindset, but they shouldn’t. They have the personnel to pretty much put their foot on the gas all game long.... and yes, I get to play smart, and at the very of the game, do it. But I just don’t like the idea of the women using that style of play for long periods of time. They are too skilled to need to.
     
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  14. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree with you cpthomas. I'm not sure simulating a gun shooting as a celebration mocking the US is the same as sipping tea. You're looking at communities, families, and survivors that are still recovering and some with PTSD. Anything involving food or things like American football or baseball would be more of an equivalent.
     
  15. Well, that doesnot prevent us, when to the panic of those huge countries, we're put in a Group of Death with them, like in Death to them that is.
    Remember WC Italy and Vice WC France in the Euro in our group? We demolished them. Remember WC Spain in our group in Brasil? Remember the NL group with the reigning 2018 France and former 2014 WC Germany?
    We with our skinny 17 million people obliterated them and that's while Morocco skimms off a couple of top players from our pool like recently Ziyech.
    Size doesnot matter, attitude does and we consider our system and thus us as the best and we're always eager to show it/rub it into the rest of the world's faces.
    Doesnot mean we're sure to beat the Swedes, but the Orange outfit is an intimidating outfit because of what comes with it. That colour already puts us ahead.
     
  16. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was among those who felt that Morgan was referencing the Boston Tea Party with her tea-sipping celebration. I think I was wrong. I guess she was referencing the English habit of tea-drinking. If that is true, I think her celebration was just plain lame. Not worth criticizing and not worth defending either. The 20th-best trash-talker on an NFL team does better than that.

    But I will stick to my statement that any team that wants to respond by mocking Trump has got my applause.
     
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  17. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Here’s a question for the group.... the last 2 games US has lost the overall possession battle. That has to be pretty rare for a US woman’s team, right?
     
  18. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    The difference is that the US men's national team plays that way when the game is tied, while the women only do it when they have the lead.
     
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  19. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Two things:
    1. Possession is almost meaningless as a gauge of which team is playing better. in many cases the team dominating "possession" does so with a lot of meaningless passes. That kind of possession does not contribute to scoring chances but rather it simply shortens the match.
    2. The US team chose to play a style that gives up a lot of possession. I do not think that choice is correct but it is a choice that teams make and the resulting possession stat means almost nothing.
     
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  20. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    The US has actually played good attacking soccer when the game is tied against strong opponents. However, once they take the lead, they're perfectly happy with the opposing team stringing 20 passes together without creating a clear chance at goal, since it's a good time waster. If the US played attacking football the entire match, England's total amount of shots taken could've easily been 16 instead 6.
     
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  21. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Media has made a lot of comments about the US acting arrogant... maybe in some of their comments or actions, but in terms of play, I’d say otherwise. When the US has turned to a defensive mindset the last couple games, to me, that shows it respects the teams they are playing...
     
  22. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Never had a problem with her 'tea drinking' nod after scoring the goal, actually. Also, never thought it was anything political or done with a great deal of thought. Clearly a little snub at the British, but so what. HOWEVER, upon learning that it had to do with Phil Neville questioning the etiquette of the US team at their hotel, I was vociferously all in on her celebration. Who the hell is Phil Neville to talk about etiquette? Don't get all 'holier than thou' on us Phil, please. But I guess, thanks also for providing some cannon fodder for the USA's chalkboard in the locker room.

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  23. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    I think people have to realize that a lot of it is gamesmanship. You can clearly see that was Phil Neville's game plan before the match. After the match was over he was very gracious.
     
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  24. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Yeah, it's kinda rare, but not against the top teams. I think you have to put an asterisk next to the last two games since the US bunkered the last 20-30 minutes of each of them.

    According to FIFA's Halftime Report, USA had 51% possession to ENG's 49% in the first half. It seemed like the US had a lot of possession the last 10 minutes, so the possession stats were probably pretty high in ENG's favor for a good 20-30 minutes prior to that when the US began its bunker.

    FUN FACT - USA has lost the possession battle in at least* their last 5 WC Semifinal and Finals games.

    2019 Semifinals - USA 40%, ENG 60%
    2015 Finals - USA 48%, JPN 52%
    2015 Semifinals - USA 49%, GER 51%
    2011 Finals - USA 48%, JPN 52%
    2011 Semifinals - USA 45%, FRA 55%

    2019 Quarterfinals - USA 40%, FRA 60% (44%/56% at halftime)
    2015 Quarterfinals - USA 56%, CHN 44%
    2011 Quarterfinals - USA 51%, BRA 49%

    *FIFA didn't provide possession statistics in their Match Reports prior to 2011 WC, so the streak may be even longer.
     
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  25. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed.

    I wish that rather than keeping track of time of possession, the leagues or the TV networks or whoever is doing it would keep track of "time of position" (how much time the ball is in each half of the field).
     

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