US-Curaçao, post game

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    pretty good.

    if you could've somehow worked Orange slices in, it would've been perfect.
     
  2. ClappinJonny99

    Borussia Dortmund, Liverpool, DC United
    United States
    Jun 15, 2019
    My mistake. Don’t know why I thought that.
     
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  3. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    Room left Vitesse after 2016-17. He had some backup appearances for PSV since then, and some games for Jong PSV.

    PSV opted not to extend his contract in 2019, so technically, Room is now a free agent.
     
  4. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You almost had me going there. Poo on you. This is Murica and it's what party you belong to and Bradley belongs to the GOB and their stupidity and arrogance is in charge.
     
  5. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Tinfoil hats?
     
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  6. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Passing back and forth is called "build up". It is effective at moving the defense to create an opening going forward.

    And, as an old Dutch KNVB cash always said: "Build up, buildd up, build up. But when you CAN go forward, you MUST got reward".

    And that is exactly what they did. Either via passing or running at the our front line and once they broke past that there was ton of space and they had numbers.

    Terrible tactics against a well drilled Dutch like 4-3-3.
     
  7. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but that's Morris' calling card and we all know it. He's a great guy and teammate and works his butt off but he doesn't have the quality we need or even the quality that Weah and other kids already have. Plus it killed my narrative to leave him out....
     
  8. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep ********ing that chicken.
     
  9. The point was, he's not someone that hasnot got the skills. He was pulled in as a back up for Zoet with a matching PSV salary. Not something the top clubs do with nobodies.
     
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  10. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup.
     
  11. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    TROOOTH
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's your thing.
     
  13. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #338 juvechelsea, Jul 1, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2019
    You over-state what I am looking for. All due respect but all my list has to do is be better than one dingbat on the current roster -- even the bench. The pro GB type arguments are "noob vs starter." That's not how making a team works. All he has to do is be better than the worst mid or forward we have in the 23 who carries a clipboard.

    Lewis has some assists but has never scored in the shirt. OK, I think you're being unfair about the goals my candidates scored, but all they have to do is be more productive than him. So these goals you mock? One better than him. Or two.

    And one off my list you just ignore while playing this "but but but you don't get to count that one" game is Wood, who has scored on a variety of NTs at a high level in games that count. Oh, but club form.

    Similarly, Green has scored in a world cup on Belgium, and on world champions France. But but but his club form. Quit crying. He already has the cred and you're just looking for excuses to tear him down by acting like he literally goes down to zero based on club. So we just toss out the people who have done things before while in club situations. Good luck with that. I mean, we are only increasingly going to have this Big Club problem due to ambition and the level clubs we are signing at. Are we now going to deliberately send out the B team based on the false assumption their stable but beige club situations favor them over anyone on the A team having a rough season? What happened to A is simply a better player than B? Or that we have a month to play them now and get them fit and sharp? Form doesn't change them THAT much. Dempsey doesn't suddenly suck on a Spurs bench. We don't treat Pulisic like he changes when he rots. Why on down the list then?

    If Gall or Holmes are the most unknown of them, they are still better than people who made the team eg Mihailovic or Roldan or Trapp.

    I also find stupid, and I am not going to dress it up, stupid, the implied banging of one's head against the wall in favor of current roster players WHILE I AM LITERALLY WATCHING THEM STRUGGLE. How is what I am watching secure or comforting?

    And then the game seems to be to depict anything else as the UNKNOWN OF WHICH WE MUST BE SCARED. Some of the more interesting people to pass through recent camps are players like Boyd and Holmes we had no clue about. When the U20s come in, ditto. When Sargent and Weah get their chances. etc etc

    The alternative is pretending like this is as good as we can do. I am not calling people saviors we haven't seen. But I am also not going to play the opposite game where I sit on my hands and claim we cannot expect to find a thing from trying some new people, as we beat Curacao 1 freaking 0.

    The only way this is going to improve is an iterative process of challenging the current set of players, as new prospects and dual nationals and marginals get chances. And not just this U20 but the next and the next and the next. Some will like Boyd fly right by their competition. Some will suck like Sweat did. But you don't not try because some will fail. If you are scared of trying things short of a Pulisic that is obvious we will not get upgrades and this is as good as it gets.

    If this is the team we will not make Qatar. QED. That is going to change from the emergence of new players and the coach getting his head out of his butt on his pool. My point is you could patch this up to Top 2 Regional status just getting head removed from tookus.
     
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  14. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    agreed, but jamaica and canada have the talent to fill that gap. canada of course could miss the hex just being all canadien...but its possible
     
  15. :D
    In that case Surinam could become to Brasil, what The Orange team is to Germany:p
     
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  16. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Well that was over a year ago right?
     
  17. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    What do all 4 of them have in common???
     
  18. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    now that curacao are classified as an independent nation suriname doesnt have any advantage over them (in terms of a dutch eligible player choosing). theres still the matter of having whatever connection it takes to one or the other, but thats the only reason suriname got all the dutch scraps.
     
  19. So? PSV didnot sign him because they wanted a downhill running backup for their in that time national team selection goalie, I guess.
     
  20. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Orange slices are important, but any good youth soccer player knows that a game without fruit snacks is bullshit.
     
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  21. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Do it, Chicago Fire!
     
  22. 21st Century Pele

    Apr 16, 2014
    So, two teams played tonight. One was a superpower with multiple domestic leagues and players in top leagues all over the world. One is a second world island with a total population smaller than the number of players the other has in development academies. One played with confidence, technical ability and desire. The other was sluggish and disjointed. The better team missed on a few finishes, and the sluggish on advanced.
     
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  23. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do think it would be very hard to argue that any BL team would ever sign the guy much less play him. I'm not sure of the etiology of Fredo's presence in the Dusseldorf squad, but he very much seems a player that is counted on in that roster, auto starter or not. His team did very well in the end of the season after starting poorly. Either the guy doesn't have any interest in playing internationally any longer, and has made that clear to USSoccer, or he has ticked off someone in power recently as I think he should probably be on this roster, given the talent pool available currently and on display.
     
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  24. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    Soccer and testicles?
     
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  25. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The sluggish team missed better chances than the better team.
     
  26. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no the tinfoil is for people who are critical of the status quo.
     
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