Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

it's not a talent issue it's a dev one.

French league is inferior to German leagues which makes it easier for younger players to breakthrough in France as well as their youth promotion being vastly superior to Germany's youth promotion. Us way too much time wasting in RL instead of playing pro.

besides the German school issue which does affect/delay careers for our players.

Anyone notice that the vast majority of French players who succeed in Germany and the ones who German club buy or want to buy are all African descent=no physicality issues. And then anyone notice that outside of Ribery and Pavard most of the white French players aren't really that successful. Ribery was brought to Germany much older than the current players are. Just a curious observation. I mean Cuisance more than once really wanted to leave Gladbach due to not being 1st choice.

that's another thing that doesn't help German players, the physicality that doesn't get picked up until they are older by then too bad, their potential spots are filled by other players.

 

I mean I look at English and French highly rated talents and very big chunk of them are African descent.

you look at German highly rated talents and the reality is vast majority are not African descent even when they are duals. Seriously looking at 96-03 age group and 00 seems to be the only age group in Germany from that list that has more African descent talents, the rest it ends up with like a handful of relevant players and not much else. Actually the 00 number seems almost like an outlier compared to the rest.

look at 96 as an example: Tah, Kehrer, Sane.........and that's it.

 

The French definitely benefit from having historical ties with lots of her ex-colonies in Africa. Not to mention Paris and other big cities are a melting pot of people and culture from around the world. They don't even need to work that hard to find plethora of young kids to seriously considering playing football as their future occupation. They even had Indian descent NT player back then for ******** sake. His name is Dhoraso or something, if I remember correctly.

Above is something that cannot be changed, and we have to embrace the fact. Just like the fact that Brazilian blessed with insane natural talent, thankfully God or any deity you believe, is fair. And as a result we have myriad of wasted Brazilian talent due to not having good head to balance the talent.

Back to France, despite having lesser immigrant, Germany need to incorporate talent pool of immigrants into NT big plan. I believe city like Berlin and Frankfurt are not lacking with immigrant talents that can be recruited into football academy and whatever they have. And apart from football knowledge, physicallity and skill, they need to emphasize on education of future planning and maturity growth as a professional, something that need to be infused into the curriculum. I believe when our junior NT won Euro on 3 different level, if I remember correctly, back then Gotze was in U-19, and most of his teammates was imigrants, and the U-17 as well. Of the top of my head, Sukuta Pasu, Nsereko, Yabo, Soyudogru, Naki, Bienvenue something (U-17 RB).

 

Yeah I remember those days, but back then majority of our NT squads were filled with players who failed to make it as pro. Continues to show our youth NT squads always have players who don't pan out.

I feel like it cannot be helped our African descent talent overall is just not as a good as the rest. Clubs promote their best players or most potential.

just look at strikers, German African descent strikers who panned out in 1BL: Selke and Asamoah.........and to an extent the poached Choupo-Moting and that's it. I mean compare that to French and English.......even Belgium in terms of dev strikers.

I think for strikers, African descent in Germany it's pretty much the physicality edge they have when younger and then they struggle massively as pros, aka no more edge. Which tells you they lack skills and allround game to make it pro.

let's see how
96-Seydel (who where he ends up next season, wasted a season mostly injured), 97-lyoha (2BL loan), 97-Owusu (2BL), 98-Amenyido (2BL), 98-L.Nmecha (poached from England too,.......linked with 1BL), 00-Herrmann, 00-Awuku, 00-Akono, 00-Ngankam, 00-Besong, 00-Malone

look at the # of 00 strikers, proves my point that African descent prospects are majority in 00 age group, the number is even bigger with the none strikers. But then it goes back lower in following age groups, outlier. 00s, you got maybe a few others let's see what happens to them in future.

you look at 00,
-Awuku can also play winger is part of the Kiel 1st team in 2BL and has been since last season. Dev well for now.
-Akono, part of Mainz 1st team and will be integrated in 1BL slowly while playing II along with 00 CF Burkardt
-Ngankam ended up U19 Nord/Nordost top scorer and is rated by Hertha, will start in II but could get 1st team chances, the more he performs. Seems better than the other dual 99-Kirpit.
-Besong, Dortmund wanted to keep him, Gladbach was interested, moved to 2BL FCN where he's a 1st team prospect
-Malone, rated at Augsburg, reported to be part of 1st team next season. Has been involved with 1st team over last 2 seasons.
-Herrmann is the one from the list that seems for now farthest from 1st team. Although he has to impress in II 1st likely.

well at least the 00 strikers seem more promising than all previous age group combined with a good number of them progressing well, Now let's see how they progress as pros. I mean, 00 German strikers for all players is packed with choices it's a ton more than these 6 players listed+Burkardt.

PS almost every striker listed here, have been attempted poaching for them. It's actually accurate for all 00s.......

 

LOL, both Dortmund Frenchies are about to leave?

According to Bild, @Zagad2_’s agent already searches for a new club for the defender, especially in England. #Zagadou would cost a minimum of €30m.

Abdou #Diablo also thinks about leaving #BVB after Mats #Hummels has been signed.

— German Football Daily (@GERFootDaily) June 27, 2019

sounds to me like they think Akanji and Hummels will block both of them.

also why not add that Spaniard flop Mascarell? They should sell them all and get better players.

#Schalke - #Schneider confirmed: #Mendyl #Bentaleb and #Konoplyanka are looking for new clubs. #S04 https://t.co/rppO8lJ4He

— German Football Daily (@GERFootDaily) June 27, 2019

will be curious to see what Schalke looks like with a new squad and new coach. Will they be competitive or bust like last season?

 

Good grief for Diallo. Never understand the hype, I watched lots of Dortmund games. At least Zagadou has lots of potential, but he is too young and making too many mistake under pressure.

 

Diallo is someone who moved to Dortmund after 1 season at Mainz, I mean really? He's not even that good. It's also telling that Diallo got owned by Oztunali when France and Germany U21 played each other recently. I mean Oztunali is a winger who plays midfield for his club due to them not really playing wingers in a ton of games and so is kind of rusty on the wings and he made Diallo look horrible, awkward. Zagadou actually came to Dortmund with 0 1st team games, only youth experience and looks like he won't last. And that could have been his negative in the end. But yeah too many mistakes for a top club is not good enough.

from the 3 Akanji was always the better one.

but you got Hummels, Akanji, Diallo, Zagadou, Balerdi and Toprak.......and include potential Weigl. That's a lot of CBs.

 

lol Schalke payed $26M for him and now selling him less than half price. Dumb management.

According to Bild, Breel #Embolo has signed his contract today and will be presented at #Gladbach tomorrow. Transfer fee: €10m-€11m + €4/5m bonuses. #s04

— German Football Daily (@GERFootDaily) June 27, 2019

was never worth $20+M anyways.

 

great more money into Hertha likely means less future promotions....

 

And Bruma is out, lol called it ages ago. He's seriously not a good player.

BRUMA IS HERE! 😗🎶#BrumaEstáConosco

— PSV (@PSV) June 28, 2019

Sanches seems to be next and the Portuguese in Germany seem to be busts.

Dortmund's Guerreiro does not count. He's French born and French dev (never played in Portugal). His mom is also French, only playing with Portugal NT due to his dad being Portuguese.

only guy left is Frankfurt's Paciencia who had a solid 1st season at Frankfurt lets see how he does the following seasons.

 

actually both Brumas in 1BL suck, the Schalke one is so bad that Wolfsburg want to dump him.

and lol at Schalke and their dumb transfers between Bruma on loan, Selling Embolo for half the price they paid (which is official today), allowing soooo many Germans to go free instead of selling them, and the list goes on and on. This club is very badly managed, it's sad or pathetic or both can't tell honestly.

 

neither Sarr nor Thuram are new reports, they've been reported on for awhile not sure why that tweet makes it seem like it's new reports. I even mocked Gladbach for their interest in both players a few days ago.

looks like Gladbach wants nothing but Frenchies. Seriously I rarely see Eberl excited about German talents, dude only cares about dev foreign talents.

and both Thuram and Sarr and France U21 flopped at U21 Euro too, they sucked.....

 

as for Frankfurt I hope as always they bomb next season. That club and RB Leipzig do German football 0 favors........like 0.
if Frankfurt can get relegated even better.

a team that used to produce plenty of German players now it's all buy buy buy foreign players, feeder club mentality taking in tons of players on loan. 0 youth promotions as well. Bullshit pro contracts just to get specific number of Germans at the club, farce club.

they didn't even deserve to make Europe next season, 2nd consecutive season based on league play they deserved no Europe.

it really is sad since Frankfurt really did produce plenty of German players especially in the older decades and that's when they played well in Europe too. Seriously there is a link between German clubs and European success with domestic players.....

 

now that I think about it, that 1BL has 2 teams less in the league than France, Spain but has like 10% more foreign players is likely due to Frankfurt and RB Leipzig barely having any German players.

and they then play in Europe with once again barely any German players as well.

 

Marko Grujic has agreed to re-join Hertha Berlin on a one-year loan from Liverpool, according to kicker. Eintracht Frankfurt has been in the running for the midfielder. #LFC #hahohe #SGE

— Ronan Murphy (@swearimnotpaul) June 29, 2019

Bremen was also interested. How nice that 3+ German clubs wanted to play feeder club once again to EPL clubs. The player has no real interest in 1BL he wants to make it at Liverpool.

 

Not enough Frenchies................need more.

#PSG are set to meet their FFP obligations by securing the sale of Christopher Nkunku to RB Leipzig. Deal should be completed today

— Robin Bairner (@RBairner) June 30, 2019

So is Gladbach's whole Summer transfer, just look next door?

According to L’Équipe, #Gladbach are interested in Flavian #Tait. SCO #Angers and #Gladbach are already negotiating. [via https://t.co/Tni0Mljh8Y]

— German Football Daily (@GERFootDaily) June 30, 2019

these 2 clubs are headed for 5+ French players and they both make Europe too......

 

so Schalke buys 00 CB Kabak when they have 00 CB Can in their ranks, lol.

not great for Turkey since Kabak plays for them and the German-Turk Can is provisionally capped by them.

RIP Youth Integration.......