It's akin to "understanding" why an energy company executive would lobby for environmental deregulation, while also abhorring the practice and the players involved.
Pro/rel twitter has completely turned on Ted and Ben. Moreso Ted, who has been attacking people who are in favor of pro/rel because they also happen to support an MLS side. Then there was how Ted was exposed by Chris Kessell for being a total fraud. Ted really is , as Kyle Martino says, pro/rel herpes.
Or you could turn that around and argue that territorial rights are vital to the survival of teams, especially in the first few years after formation. I mean we had over a hundred years of doing things the English way and by 1993 all we had was a 7 team semi-pro league with 3 of the teams based in Canada. We'll soon have multiple professional teams in places like Austin and Atlanta, so we'll see how that goes.
Since @soccerreform and his minions want nothing more than to be be famous on #ProRelForUSA Twitter let's talk about him today. Back in October 2018 I gave him a plan... one that involved getting 50 to 100 clubs together to sign a letter demanding FIFA and CONCACAF act on— Chris Kessell (@THEChrisKessell) May 28, 2019
When have we ever done it "the English way"? Pretty sure pretty much every one (post-WWII, at least) followed the conventional American franchise league model.
It's funny because Chris has as much credibility as the Weekly World News himself. All cults eventually split into factions over whose interpretation of the doctrine is the true path. Territorial rights are solely the pervue of leagues and have nothing to do with USSF or pro/rel. I see the flat circle has moved back to this talking point. But it's one of Ruffy's pet peeves that has nothing to do with his preferred standings gimmick so here we are.
Really? You're so light on US soccer history that you only recognise MLS, USL and NASL??? Here's a list of Open Cup winners... A.A.C. Eagles Baltimore S.C. Ben Millers Bethlehem Steel Brookhattan Brooklyn Dodgers S.C. Brooklyn Field Club Brooklyn Hispano Brooklyn Italians Brooklyn St. Mary's Celtic C.D. Mexico Chicago Bricklayers Chicago Falcons Chicago Fire Chicago Sparta Chicago Viking A.A. Club España Columbus Crew D.C. United Elizabeth S.C. Fall River Marksmen Fall River Rovers FC Dallas Greek American AA Greek-American A.C. Harmarville Hurricanes Houston Dynamo Los Angeles Galaxy Los Angeles Kickers Maccabi Los Angeles McIlvaine Canvasbacks Morgan Strasser New Bedford Whalers New England Revolution New York Americans New York AO Krete New York German–Hungarian S.C. New York Hakoah New York Hota New York Hungaria New York Nationals New York Pancyprian-Freedoms New York Ukrainians Paterson F.C. Pawtucket F.C. Philadelphia Ukrainian Nationals Pittsburgh Gallatin Ponta Delgada S.C. Richmond Kickers Robins Dry Dock Rochester Rhinos S.C. Eintracht San Francisco I.A.C. San Jose Oaks Scullin Steel Seattle Sounders FC Shawsheen Indians Sparta Fallstaff Sporting Kansas City St. Louis Busch Seniors St. Louis Kutis S.C. St. Louis Simpkins–Ford St. Petersburg Kickers Stix, Baer and Fuller Uhrik Truckers
Pro/rel twitter should have turned on Ted over a decade ago.. Instead it sat back and cheered him on.
Multi-sport clubs, workers organizations, church based teams, you know, a bit like Birmingham City, Aston Villa and West Brom, for instance. Small community based teams from all over the country owned soccer in the first two decades of the last century and the 3 decades following the Second World War. Yet unlike in England, for instance, nothing sustainable emerged. I guess there weren't enough Victorian school teachers to go around.
I understand what you mean now. Much more problematic for the evolution of the sport was its association with immigrants. But for the last 50 years, it's followed the more mainstream American model.
Throwback Thursday.... Look what I ran across while cleaning my home office today LOL. @kkfla737 @strikersfan73 pic.twitter.com/H0vaPRZXT8— Rufnex (@TulsaRoughnecks) May 30, 2019
Cult of personality. It takes people forever to realize someone is the idiot they truly are when they're on your side. See: politics.
I'd argue that what made the small community club model hard to build on in the US was geography combined with the overall unpopularity of the sport. The costs go up rapidly as you start traveling outside your city, and the farther you have to go to find enough teams to fill a league, the higher the minimum cost gets. Consider countries with similar geographic issues. Brazil avoided this problem because the country is so soccer-mad that most of its states had fully professional state leagues by the 1960s. Russia and China avoided it during the command-economy era because the clubs were effectively government-operated. To this day, almost all Russian clubs east of the Urals are dependent on government subsidies, while in China the popularization of the sport through satellite TV has resulted in billionaires buying clubs and relocating them from the traditional soccer hotbeds in Shandong and Liaoning provinces to cities throughout the country, while Chinese clubs below the top two divisions have continued to have the same problem with gate receipts vs travel costs as the US. Australia tried a national league based on community clubs, and found that many of the clubs promoted to the national league got into financial trouble as a result.
Dan Loney's every bit as bad. In some ways, worse. See Dan Loney and anti-Pro/Rel zealot Bigsoccer mods like yourself.
I don't Dan could be accused of running a cult, or indeed of having a personality. 99% of his output has nothing to do with promotion and relegation, whereas Ted is a one trick pony. Direct insults of the people who voluntarily run this site. And you wonder why you get banned.
Dan may have his moments but worse than Ted? Personally, I don't think it's close. I wonder what Ted's agenda really is? As I've said before, it always struck me as odd when he squandered an exchange with Scott Van Pelt. Now he's refusing to work with people like Kessell and Bonaire in private, while in public insinuating that he's part of their project. Is this all just an attention grab?
Yes. Ted's found out that being the loudest voice in the room is fun. Right up until you actually have to get your hands dirty, and people start realizing you're not as smart as you think you are.
As far as I know, Dan never took it offline and attempted to get people fired from their jobs, something Ted has done on several occasions.