I don't think lack of patience is a problem in just Italy, it's everywhere in the sport now (as you point out Sarri is probably shown the door). What is so maddening to me about too many Roma fans is their perceived sense of grandeur. They act like this club has a history of challenging for trophies?! This is a club that historically challenges for a CL spot every few years. Get's into the EL pretty often and misses European competition a lot of years. FFS, get over yourselves. We had a great run the last few years mainly because Inter and ACM have been completely mismanaged. We have never been a top club. Hell, Ajax have a more storied history. All this nonsense from fans and the press about the club selling their best player is infuriating because that is exactly what we have always done. I'm not sure what fans expect. Unless Qatar or the like buy us this is the way it is going to be. Do they really expect that JP or any other billionaire is going to drop 50-100 mil per season out of their own pocket into the club? Be real, your asking a guy to drop 5-10% of his entire wealth into a club every year? Do they think that JP and his group of investors is going to make the team so unprofitable that they'll get no return or actually lose 110s of millions in club value? Do they think things will be different if Ferrero was the owner? Then their is the insanity of trying to actually build a stadium it the mess Italy calls a government. Its no wonder their economy is in shambles.
This is true. I just think Italy has exceptionally shit ownership/management and extremist fandom. Hopefully that Palermo situation gets resolved soon. No reason for a club like that to be where it is. You see the Della Valle's just watching their club whither into oblivion. That club has so much potential, yet they invest fcuk-all and refuse takeover offers despite supposedly putting the club on the market years ago. Of all the clubs in Italy, I hope they get a sugar daddy (not QSI). You see that tard Preziosi in Genoa sacks a new manager every week. Again, a historical club in a bigger market just horribly run. It's pathetic. Sampdoria takes a dump on their football operations and they have a legitimately crazy person for an owner. I could go on and on, but yeah, I would agree, on the whole, patience is just becoming a foreign concept societally. Football and sports are just a byproduct of this. Just watch an Arsenal fan tv video, and you'll get the drift. The sense of entitlement is only going to get worse even though the gap between the have's and have-nots is only widening before their eyes.
Yea I agree the list of mismanaged clubs in Italy is phenomenal. Throw Parma on that list, hell, Roma were heading down that path. ACM and Inter once mega clubs are never going to get there again, IMO. IMO, the clubs are just an extension of how the country as a whole is run.
It's truly, truly astounding. I don't know enough about the country and culture to really decipher what the hell is going on (I have my theories, though), but I know sports, and the way some of the clubs are run is beyond comical. Not sure if you follow basketball, but Daryl Morey, the GM of the Rockets said he did some research on soccer in Europe and he couldn't believe how bad it was. The incompetence stunned him. He's an analytics guy, and he said it was just horrendous from that perspective. But also he said the ownership, management, player acquisition, and structure of front offices was just god awful on the whole. Only a handful of clubs actually impressed him, mostly from Germany and Spain. There are poorly run franchises in North America, don't get me wrong, but Zamparini fired 40 managers in 15 years at Palermo. Think about that. It's actual insanity.
Haven't caught up with the news, saying that publicly is why I like him though and might possibly make Jimmy think. Jimmy seems a good dude and means well, he's enthusiastic but doesn't have patience. Jimmy pulling the trigger and expecting too much goes back to Garcia. The instant gratification culture today can be broken but it needs an owner who ignores the short term noise and rides out a bad season or two, trusting the man he put in charge in the first place to come good. Building a side takes time and often multiple seasons to correct. Chopping and changing like he has done is the one step forward two steps back approach.
I agree. It's why I have a love-hate thing for Jimmy. He does a lot of good, but if he just understood sports better he'd be the dream owner. He's just as impatient as a fan, and it harms us. He has to set the tone for the club and make a statement by backing people in the face of adversity. For me, continuity is everything in pro sports, and he just doesn't think that way. I'm convinced that after 2016-17, we had to take 2 steps back to take 1 forward, and that meant phasing out the old-core and building a program around youth, but Jimmy just won't accept that. I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I still would've kept EDF and by extension Monchi. The Nzonzi and Pastore signings seemed so out of character for him, and I suspect the mandate of top 4 was the catalyst. In many ways, that CL run was a blessing and a curse. If that duo had of taken over when Sabatini initially did, I suspect history would be much different. That was the time to truly build the Roma I think is needed. Now we're just stuck in a cycle of Top-4 or fcuked. Long-term plan be damned.
Pallotta's attention span is his most Italian attribute. I maintain that Monchi had his feelings hurt when he wasn't treated like he was at Sevilla. Roma isn't Sevilla. Italy isn't Spain. While a lot if the Serie A experience arguments come off as xenophobic, there is value in prior experience working this crap storm.
I agree about EDF but honestly it was more than 1 or 2 poor purchases by Monchi that doomed him. He cost this club nearly 100 mil on purchases that were doomed to fail. He made panic purchases because he had no plan 'B' when plan 'A' didn't work out. To me the fact he went back to Seville rather than Arsenal was fairly telling.
#Torino striker Andrea Belotti extends his contract until 2022 https://t.co/frQHahO1R6 pic.twitter.com/Nr11I1rdta— Football Italia (@footballitalia) May 7, 2019
I've thought about this quite a bit retrospectively. For me, I think the task was just too large and different. He had 18 years to gradually build an infrastructure and philosophy at Sevilla. When he was hired by Jim, it was essentially "here's the keys, make it better" I mean, yeah, he fcuked up.. multiple, multiple times, imo. But he also was put in a position he'd never been put in before. He needed time to adjust to it, and in Rome, you don't get time. Not after the season we had before his arrival. I've said it a few times, but imo, the DoF position for Roma might be the hardest one in football all things considered. You're walking a tight-rope financially every season, you have to sell players every season, you're mandated to at least make top 4 every season and you've got an impatient owner who thinks we should be neck-and-neck with Juve. I mean, we hired a guy known for spotting young talents and eventually flipping them. That's what he'd done his whole career. No one ever demanded he made CL or contended for titles, because Sevilla know who they are. Does Roma? If someone knows, please tell me. Because I have no idea what the fcuk we are. A club waiting for a stadium? You hire a guy like Monchi because you want to become a Monaco or a Dortmund. That transition takes time and it takes a lot of pain - especially after 2016-17. I genuinely think after assessing the situation he wanted to tear the whole thing down, but knew he had to make top 4, or else. That conflict and pressure to win now fcuked with him and his decision-making suffered. Outside of Schick, all his major gaffes were for win-now players.
Agree with all of this and well said. Just like I said previously too many people in the press and fans have delusions of grandeur of Roma. I tend to think that Pallotta has taken the club as far as he can and for what he did I'll always be appreciative.
I gave up on this vision when they left Rudi hanging then fired him, he was a much better coach than EDF.
did JP fire Monchi or did he take his ball and go home because we sacked a massively out of his depth manager that was cranking out poor performance after record breakingly terrible performance?
I'm used to it, Gervinho played for both of my clubs. Dzeko really makes you miss Osvaldo, how crazy is that..?
#Calciomercato, offerti 45 milioni più bonus dalla #Juventus per #Zaniolo: la Roma chiede 60#ASRoma #RomanewsEuhttps://t.co/5E6AQu1x9q pic.twitter.com/dKUTaY5cH5— Romanews EU (@romanewseu) May 8, 2019 Juve offer 45M, Roma ask for 60M. Inter get 15% of the sale.
gross, I don't even want to think about this right now. We're in the midst of a dogfight for CL, we don't even have a DoF or a manager, and now I've gotta read this. The Dzeko to West Ham rumors were much better for the spirit.
Jimmy brought this club to the 21st century. I've traveled all over the country to see this team and I can say (besides the crappy Olimpico seats and track) Roma's in game experience (scoreboard video packaging pre-game and at halftime, host, music) is just as good as Juve's, Inter's and Milan's. It's much better than everyone else's and a zillion times better than Lazio. Our website and digital content is awesome too. Juve's stadium is like a bigger Red Bull Arena if that makes, the Allianz doesn't have a bad view in it, and the lights/production is amazing. It's intimate but yet fits 40k. Their stadium needs to be the goal. Not the San Siro, not anywhere else. The Allianz is the crown jewel of Serie A. If he can find a true revenue producer (Stadio), and can actually get this club out of the deep red that it was in, this team can be on the level we all want it to be spending wise. I just find it so naive to say he doesn't care about the team, or the fans, he deals with all the BS and has gotten Roma actual corporate backing (Qatar, Hyundai, Nike). This transfer thread would be a hell of a lot less depressing if we were playing at the Stadio Della Roma.
Ag. Tonali: "Roma are interested, but no official offer has been received". https://t.co/2CBHPcVi9k— RomaPress (@ASRomaPress) May 8, 2019