Yup all great points and scary to think about. Nothing we haven't already discussed here though. That point about how KSG being our number 1 over CHW is firmly entrenched in his dense mind just pisses me off thinking about it. But forget GKs for a sec, I think what we're all worried about is how Bento's stubbornness may affect LKI, LSW, JeongWY, PSH integration into the first team. We can't afford to fuxk up this generation.
Memories of Helder Postiga being the first name on the team sheet for Portugal.. Every. single. game.
Nam Tae Hee for us. He'll continue taking up a valuable AM spot when we have so much talent there. Don't even get started with Jung Woo Young. LCS also said the only reason KMH played was because LY was injured. We'll probably see a 35 year old Lee Yong in the World Cup.
Exactly, same weird shite. Bento should be fired just for not seeing Cho is the nr 1 goalie. Idiotic.
If I want to win a single game (eg Germany) I choose CHW. If I want to develop team identity and results in the long run I choose a goalkeeper with better feet.
I think CHW should be the first GK, because the main priority in GK is Keeping away Goals. I understand that GKs today need to be more capable of using their feet and distributing, but CHW eases that back line better than KSG can ever do. Defense has long been an issue for the KNT and having a leader who speaks with his actions between the sticks is more vital than a guy who can use his feet but can’t do anything with his hands.
Lol want to have this debate again? Bring it on. I can give thousands of reasons why Shin is better than Bento. I'll list them after my class is over.
if bento never came in the picture and STY kept the job til now with similar results, i'd back STY too. my larger point is that we need consistency. the nature of NT is erratic enough with variability in player selection for only a few matches per year and limited time to form cohesion, that it is more counterproductive to replace a NT manager unless shit is hitting the fan
I already typed all this before you posted this, so I'll post it anyway. A lucky result against Colombia (extremely poor goalkeeping, if they played a half-decent goalkeeper we would’ve lost 0-1) and a sub-par performance against Bolivia and everybody already forgot the atrocious performance in the Asian Cup? Performing “decently” in the friendlies has absolutely no bearing if you don’t get results in competitive matches. Bento seemed to show a willingness to change his tactics and not be stubborn like a rock in his first few months in charge. But what did he do exactly in the Asian Cup? He played the same tactic Over and Over although it’s been shown that it does not work against teams that park the bus. 4-2-3-1 against Philippines and we get a mediocre 1-0 result and an overall poor performance. 4-2-3-1 AGAIN against Kyrgyzstan (exact same lineup except Hong Chul for Kim Jin Su and Lee Chung Yong for Lee Jae Sung). Another mediocre 1-0 result against a side we should be winning 4-0 EASILY (this Kyrgyzstan team had part-time players, not even full-time players). We even allowed Kyrgyzstan to have a few dangerous chances. 4-2-3-1 again against China, exact same strategy. Everybody thought Bento would not use Son because of China’s infamous Kung Fu playstyle, and we can easily beat their poor players without Son. Bento is too scared to send in a lineup without Son although Pochettino has been starting Son EVERY game before the Asian Cup with little-to-no breaks. What would’ve happened if a Chinese player actually broke Son’s legs and got him injured for 8-10 months? Son might have another LCY scenario of not being the same after recovering, it would’ve been terrible for Son’s career and for our national team in future matches. 4-2-3-1 exact same strategy against Bahrain. It’s blatantly obvious by now this strategy doesn’t work against park-the-bus teams but he still uses this exact same strategy. Every. Fcking. Game. What’s the point of all the “testing out” different strategies in friendlies before the Asian Cup if you’re going to use the same horrible strategy every game? We could not beat Bahrain in 90 minutes. We had to use extra-time to defeat them. 4-2-3-1 same shit strategy against Qatar, and finally Bento’s stubbornness and unwillingness to adapt caught up with him. Qatar scored a goal against us and won. We were horrible the entire game. Adaptability is an extremely important trait for a head coach. Let me talk about how Shin approached competitive games. Shin is an established leader in the locker room, and he was very good at motivating players in doing well in important matches. (Korea vs Germany 2016 Olympics, Korea vs Mexico 2016 Olympics, Korea vs Germany World Cup). Hell, we even did really well against Mexico overall. We could’ve won if not for Jang Hyun Soo’s horrible ******** ups and Hwang Hee Chan scored from the howler backpass from Rafa Marquez. Bento is not even half the leader Shin was. What were those energy-less, uninspiring performances against minnows like Qatar, Bahrain, Philippines in the Asian Cup? Shin is very open to changing up his strategies if he sees that a strategy doesn’t work. Strategy didn’t work against Sweden, so he changed it up against Mexico and we played a lot better. Shin is not afraid to take risks like Bento is, Shin called up an Lee Seung Woo who was barely getting any playing time at Hellas Verona to the world cup lineup. Shin is not afraid of picking different players for the starting lineup. Who the fk was Yoon Young Sun? Yet Shin started him against Germany and played extremely well. With Bento, this would NEVER happen. With Bento, every single game KYG and KMJ are going to start. Shin is very good at creating new strategies, he actually uses the friendlies to experiment and not stick to the same old exact strategy every game (Bolivia and Colombia has exact same tactics but with a little different starting lineup). And don’t let me even begin to talk about Bento’s lineup choices. We all know Bento is horrible with lineup choices, worse than Shin. Na Sang Ho playing over Lee Seung Woo, Lee Kang In, etc. for What exactly?? When asked about LKI, PSH, etc. Bento brought up Nam Tae Hee. Wtf??? Bento constantly starts KSG over CHW when CHW is obviously the far better shot stopper. We all know Bento would’ve started Lee Yong if he wasn’t injured. Shin Tae Yong also had a few problems (constantly starting Jang Hyun Soo and Jung Woo Young), but besides that he put up lineups we were satisfied with. Cho Hyun Woo starting over KSG, Kim Shin Wook not starting after seeing that his performance against Sweden was awful. Not playing Jang Hyun Soo at center back after seeing that he would ******** up so much there. Everybody was scared that Shin would pick Hwang Eui Jo because he was shown to be complete useless in the national team (this was before HUJ's god performance in Asian Games). And behold, Shin did not pick Hwang Eui Jo for the world cup! With Shin, he was very good at using players to their ability. Go Yo Han to mark/close down James Rodriguez in Korea vs Colombia game, using HHC as a shadow striker or as a winger. Under Shin, Son played to his strengths. As a shadow striker. We have not seen players being utilized to the best of their ability under Bento. Son as playmaker WTF???? HIB as attacking midfielder?? These are not even half the reasons why Shin is better than Bento, but since I need to attend another class soon, I’ll stop here.
Too bad the team we r talking about here is KNT. It's impossible to have consistency when everyone goes "sack this retard already" after a few months. We havent even had a single fking manager who got full 4 years to prepare for WC. IMO, STY should've just remained as our manager till the end of AC. He barely had time/resources to prepare for the WC to use his plan A.
I won't compare Bento to STY in details because, in my opinion, it's not very useful. But let's say Bento is way too conservative while STY is too fancy changing strategies and line-up all the time, neither of the two is good. About Bento : I wonder what's wrong with him now, these 2 friendly matches were satisfying and interesting.There are many good things to note. It's not as if we lost both games. Okay, he's not perfect and the Asian Cup was disappointing but not atrocious : we lost against the Champions, it was a balanced game, we could have won it and Qatar demolished all its opponents. And the poor performance is also due to the player's form. Many of them were part of the U-23 team at the Asian games. I assume it's hard psychologically to play two competitions in such a short period of time. And SHM was absolutely exhausted. Lol, we beat Colombia, there is no reason to complain that way now. And this Colombian team put a lot of pressure on us. When I look at the games against the South American teams (Chile, Uruguay, Colombia), I seriously can't remember when was the last time we looked so strong and consistent. Now, the team has to confirm these results in official competitions but I've the feeling they are taking the right path. You tend to forget how the team looked ridiculous (excepted against Colombia, Serbia and Germany) under STY : Russia, Morocco, Poland, Bolivia, Sweden, Northern Ireland... all these matches were comical to some extent.
Bento will run Son into the ground for a meaningless friendly. he played him 90 minutes against china. selfish son of a bich
can't believe what i'm reading w some of you lot want sty back smfh. the guy who said 'we'll show what korean football is capable of' before pussyfooting in a wcq at home v iran. the guy who couldn't get a decent night's sleep before a decisive wcq game against UZBEKISTAN ... the guy who said that a flop of a wc-prepping friendly had actually just been a 'trick' for opponents. the guy who perpetually tinkered w tactics and tried a 3 atb strategy despite months on end w/o any results. I mean I could go on. Before anyone goes off w some revisionism on how sty is better than Bento go rewatch our first wc game against Sweden
STY is the best coach we can get if the the KFA is only able to appoint the likes of Bento for the national team, "disappointment" or not.
I personally think Bento managed reasonably well in these friendlies. I wouldn't egg him on for that disappointing performance against Bolivia. That's something that should be on the players' shoulders. If Steve Kerr drew up plays that should make the Warriors score, but the Warriors can't make a shot you can't blame Kerr but his players. who couldn't execute those plays. Same thing with Bento and the KNT against Bolivia. Against Colombia, the performance was better. But again there was a lack of execution by the players not making the right plays or botching s**t up. Would the result be different with James and Falcao starting, maybe. But that didn't happen and it is what it is. He's getting results, it maybe ugly but it's results. His lack of willingness to implement the next Golden Generation is frustrating and his constant implementation of JWY and KSG as our CDM and GK is also frustrating. But there will be some point in time where he will eventually drop JWY because of age and performance still not sure of KSG. But he will start playing minutes for the youngsters, and I think the June friendlies with Australia and a team TBA is where he will do just that. As well as possibly in the WCQ against huge Asian minnows. The Korean contingent is excited about Korean soccer again as well as the upcoming and exciting next gen of Korean players. No matter how stubborn you may think Bento is, he's certainly not stupid to notice those two things. And somewhere deep inside, he knows the latter will only make the former happier and more excited about the beautiful game; which in result make him look like a good choice of being the KNT manager.
OK, now all we are missing is takeuchi so he can argue as to why Shit-like is better than both Bento and STY, combined.
ha, i'll take the bite. sorry to disappoint you but I like Bento except his player selection & management. "Shit-like" vs Shin TY.. well, I will argue for Shit-like every day though... boring & outdated tactic/ideology > clueless F who believes he is a genius.. trying to mimic EU clubs. constantly chopping tactic (not just formation but overall style of the team) to player selection from game to game