Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Jun 27, 2018.

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  1. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Was it worse than when we played Mexico at world cup with hummels and boetang
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    well there was no high line and vs Dutch we had 7 defensive players we didn't play that many vs Mexico.

    you do remember that the WC we were basically playing only 1-2 players behind and everyone else was attacking. Hummels/Boa complained about how ridiculous it was too.
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  4. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agreed .... Germany were also
    Lucky and come one Holland is not that good Either

    We should always be the best and currently that means we should see
    How we do against England , France , Spain and Belgium .
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I didn't actually think Hummels and Boateng played too badly in that game - they simply had no help
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    what's interesting is
    Game 1 vs France in NL when we played 4 at the back we ended up with 0-0.
    Game 2 vs France in NL when we played 5 at the back we ended up losing 2-1.

    just feels like we aren't good at playing 5 at the back it usually barely barely works too. I mean all those defenders and DM too and we still concede goals....
     
  7. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    WhT do you guys think if Matheus said ?

    He says Germany is missing a true 9
    And loew should call up davie selke.
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Has Hummels been all that bad for Bayern?
     
  9. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes but at the World Cup we played 4-2-3-1 and that definitely did not work anymore

    I still think a 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 is probably a better option ....

    With the 5-3-2 I think we did okaish must admit both Dutch Goals was due to the fact that they could not clear the ball properly

    Would love to see Klopp take over one day
     
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  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    at WC it was high line those French games were post WC. But yeah 4-2-3-1 has become outdated for us.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Agree the problem at the WC was not the 4 at the back but the entire defensive shape/strategy

    The team pressed high but didn't close down properly

    There was no control of central midfield - e.g Khedira sparking the first goal with loss of possession so then he is out of position

    Kimmich far too high with net result Ozil is trying to defend the breakaway as right back

    No 6 screening the CBs

    Complete lack of running as a unit vs 2014
     
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  12. It's logical.Defense starts with the attack. When you sacrifice attacking options for more defensive ones you call upon yourself to be pressured defensively.
     
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  13. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We won Confed with a back 5 throughout. We just need to field a Stindl or Kruse in attack together with players actually playing the system more often then it can work quite well. Plus, Koeman admitted he didnt know how this system would eventually play out which is why we dominated in the first half. We can field anything between the systems and thats an advantage any given day
     
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  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yeah we got overrun in 2nd half vs you guys pretty much because too many defensive players.

    it's why I don't like 5 at the back.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    5 at the back only really makes sense if you have a lot of good CBs
     
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  16. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not at all, certainly against Liverpool at anfield he was outstanding
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Boa got worse from the 2 mostly due to injury issues. And although we bring up Torunarigha he's been injury prone all season.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah - they were such a great partnership in how their skills fitted together but I think the injuries really robbed him of his X factor

    Maybe also he just couldn't quite be arsed to fight back from it
     
  19. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  20. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Same thing with Sule at Bayern. He routinely has 90% or better pass accuracy but his passes are all sideways and back to the keeper.
     
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  21. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Löw has been spoiled by how good they were. He got away with playing 2 CBs 50 meters from goal with no support and it only started to fail when they aged and lost pace.
     
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  22. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Except from the fact that his two "mistakes" were on Liverpool's goals - otherwise great, better than Süle I'd say

    Remember Boateng in Euro 16? He was ridiculous good back then - it's too unfortunate about their injuries because Boateng/Hummels should've been in their prime last year at the WC. Hummels basically the same player though, I'd say
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah sad about boatank
     
  24. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Are we really discussing Hummels and Boateng's game against Mexico? Lol, you see any defender, no matter how good they are, will struggle in a 2v1 situation - and those situations happened numerous times against poor Mats and Boa - they didn't stand a chance
    However sometimes we saw 3 Mexico players against Hummels or Boa lol

    What's awful is that I feel like Löw's mistakes seems to have costed Hummels and Boa their NT careers
     
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  25. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Combination of loews tactics and a past it khedira and a legless kroos
     
  26. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Selke is a new Jancker, don't want that type of player. Werner and probably Stindl is fine, the first excells in a functional team, no worries about that. Then we have the likes of Waldschnidt, Arp, Eggestein etc. coming through. One of them will fit.
     
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  27. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    U still need a tall, physical striker in your roster. One or two

    U wanna have more options. Sometimes when opponents parked their buses, u need to have different options to score goals

    Not just combination player or technical player. Some physicality inside the box might help

    Yea, Loew used Goretzka in th more advanced role n interchange with Gnabry/Sane so he has more time inside the penalty box or as a frontman

    Maybe Loew sees the need of having more variety inside the penalty box too. But a Selke or Fullkrug won’t hurt

    I don’t rate Werner, needs too much space. More like a counter attack player. When opponents parked the bus n we couldn’t untie the deadlock, Werner isn’t one

    An important attribute for strikers is ALWAYS the ability to win duels, or aerial duels. In tight space, u need to be exceptionally technical and physical to create or to score. Being Either just technical or physical won’t work, u need both

    Werner is lacking a bit on both sides. We need players who can cause danger in tighter space

    Volland, Selke, Weydandt maybe

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