News: Impact Sub - OGS The New Gaffer Thread

The fallout would not be comparable.

 

That's a stupid thought process. Base your decision on the statistics, not feelings.

 

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ares-to-every-united-manager-after-10-matches

 

Well no. Because Ole is currently employed by Molde who have given him and us their blessing and will likely take a pittance in compensation.

Poch has 5 years on a deal with Spurs and Levy who will make us pay out the ass to get him, probably enough for a marquee signing.

So it isn't the same at all. If we drop Ole and sign Poch and get egg on our face and he spends a bunch of money on project players who the next manager doesn't want, it will cost us time and a shit ton of money. Ole could never be as expensive as Poch.

 

Statistics?

Like Solksjaer zero trophies won, Pochettino zero trophies won,
Mourinho ass load of trophies won,
LvG ass load of trophies won?

Two of the most decorated managers in the history of football failed here - statistics are just things you use to support an argument in football.

Ole has the temperament and has shown he knows how to delegate. Furthermore, merely appointing Pochettino has risk because the way the players have shown support for Ole. They obviously like him. He's obviously gotten more out of them than the previous manager. If we appoint someone else, the goodwill balance between players and manager starts over at zero, best case scenario. I'd actually wager it starts at a negative because we risk upsetting the dressing room influences.

We have harmony for the first team since SAF left. If Ole navigates this injury crisis, gets top 4, and possibly even manages an FA cup win - then we are losers if we don't give him the job. We are losers who deserve the Liverpool route of decades in the wilderness for so clearly ignoring what's biting us in the ass.

LvG + Mourinho built the spine of this squad - something they've done for multiple other big clubs. Now we need someone to stamp the identity of the club on it. Ole, for my money, is that man.

Poch will be available in 2-3 years. No one else in the world will pay the money to get him out of Spurs besides us. He'd be cheaper then, too. Let's give Ole the chance he's earned.

 

That's a lot of ifs, he hasn't earned anything yet IMO.

Statistically Poch is more proven than Ole in the metrics we'll be considering. I understand people's concerns with team morale and performance and the risk that needs to be calculated into this decision.

I obviously love Ole's small sample size, but it's just that.

I also don't give a ******** about money. It's not mine, and it's not something I'm worried about. I don't get too attached to what my jersey purchases are spent on (except Matic & Rojo, fvck those guys).

Are Phelan and Carrick staying on if Ole wins the job? That will also need to be considered.

I understand all of the dynamics, but for me, we'd be making a mistake by holding onto Ole. A lot has to be explored between now and the summer, obviously.

 

It's going to be Ole, just accept it. Unless we collapse and fall out of 4th, the job is his. He has too much backing from the fans and former players for Woody to go another way unless the Poch deal has already been wrapped up behind the scenes.

 

Everyone is so excited by having watchable-winning football that most have blinders on. I'm just not sold that it's a great decision from us. But again, long way to go.

 

Which metrics are those?

 

I still think Poch will be at Real soon maybe this summer.

 

Ole should only be hired on FT if Phelan is included as his assistant. I love him, but I have a feeling a huge part of our recent success can be attributed to MP helping to steady the ship from behind the scenes.

 

I don't mind if we stick things out with Ole at all. Poch is one of those managers who won't fade away as dramatically as Mou, or end up a busted flush like LVG. He's played so many formations successfully at Spurs, with back 3s, double pivots, single pivots, diamonds, 1 striker and 2 AMs or vice versa, all in a very short space of time. He's a great man manager and he's professional even when given no financial support.

Mou and LVG were the equivalent of signing 35 year old strikers who were decorated playing in one or two very similar systems, expecting them to play as if in their prime in a completely different setup.

 

Manchester United under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer:

🔴 Games: 15
✅ Wins: 12
🤝 Draws: 2
❌ Defeats: 1
⚽ Goals: 33
❌ Conceded: 10
👏 Clean sheets: 7
✅ Away win vs. Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea
✅ Unbeaten in the Premier League

WWWWWWWWDWWLWDW pic.twitter.com/2EiI84AJNK

— Football Tweet ⚽ (@Football__Tweet) February 27, 2019

 

8 away wins on the trot.

 

Which puts him ahead of SAF record of 7

 

Originally a Poch supporter/wanter.

But come on yall, how can you say no to that baby face? It is a no brainer to me now. He passed the test and proved it during his internship.

 

Hire a DoF. Keep Solksjaer on a limited-term deal with the ability to have some say in transfers. Do not make any long term commitments to him yet. I think it's very important to see how everything plays out at the beginning of next season. Ole will likely still be our manager by then, but we need a bigger sample size, such as one across an entire season, to adequately evaluate how the team continues to improve under him.

How Ole navigates the politics of the summer transfer window have to be considered, and we just don't know for certain how that will play out. We may think he'll handle it well, much like he has with everything so far, but what if a big name player comes out and demands a transfer? How will Ole react to that in the media?

For the record, I am increasingly trusting of Ole as our manager, but I am still hesitant to come to any solid conclusions about his long-term viability here. I am still torn between him and Poch, but fully realizing that Ole is the low-risk solution here.

 

I feel exactly the same way. I am riding the wave.

My thought process I want McKenna/Phelan/Carrick to stay as well and if Ole leaves they probably will leave if Poch does not want them.

So it is not only Ole but the coaching staff.

The DoF has to be someone like VDS, someone with some sort of ethical standing, a reputation, understands the club and a football philosophy.

Having VDS/Butt/Ole leading the club, we cannot ask for a better understanding of the club. I am still not sold on Ole's tactical nous yet.

 

Agree with you on this. Van der Sar is a compelling DoF candidate as well.

 

It is not Ole's tactical adjustment all his work. I am sure Phelan is in his ear. All these defensive subs and tactics are Phelan's. Midfield adjustments are Carrick. That why I am not convinced by Ole, it is someone else's work which is why I said you are buying the package not just Ole.