Hwang In-beom @ Vancouver Whitecaps FC 2019 [R]

Discussion in 'Korean Players Abroad' started by Tagline, Jan 30, 2019.

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  1. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I agree. A lot of people here probably haven't watched a full K-league match ever and haven't even watched HIB at Daejeon, but all of a sudden he moves abroad and now he deserves a thread and attention? I just don't get the rationale behind it.
     
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  2. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    I think it's the opposite as he's garning interest because no one cares about MLS.*
    I will only follow him as much as I follow K-/J-/CS-League players (which is watching HL vids at max).

    Edit: to be more concrete. because a player got a thread despite playing in a shitty league, it caused a big discussion, but you're reading too much into it. 90% of the members think it wasn't necessary to open this thread.
     
  3. Kanuck

    Kanuck Member+

    Feb 11, 2005
    La Belle Province
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    all aspects of this thread are embarrassing.

    this is utter fail.

    now childish name calling? over a fcukin player thread? we are better than this.
     
  4. batumchange2

    batumchange2 Member+

    South Korea
    May 6, 2015
    i remember browsing here when lee youngpyo was first rumoured to be signing with vancouver hoping to be introduced to some reputable domestic sources. i left with the feeling most people didnt care. and of course nobody even knows kim kihee is playing in the us right now. why is hwang inbeom so different? mls is the same third tier league and lee youngpyo certainly had no shortage of grandeur among korean fans
     
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  5. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Are we really? Honestly, think about it. Are we really better than this?
     
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  6. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Late to this, but as one of the small number (I'm assuming) of people out there that are fans of both K-League and MLS, let me say this: I have no idea if this move will be good for Hwang or not. Time will tell. However:

    1) The "retirement league" thing is old and inaccurate news. Do you get aging Euro stars in MLS? Yeah, but much less often than in the past and generally only guys that are still good, and if they aren't (Gerrard, Lampard for example) they get flushed out pretty fast. Main reason they are brought is to sell tickets because the casual fan that isn't really interested in MLS has heard of these guys and suddenly starts going to matches (just like an Ibra signing to a K-League team would have a big lift to attendance).

    For every Rooney signing, you get five very good young guys coming out of Latin America like Alberth Elis, Ezekiel Barco, Luciano Acosta, Kaku, Matias Vera, etc.

    2) The quality of play in the league is rapidly improving, in large part due to the influx of Latin American talent. It isn't because of the American players. MLS teams have more flexibility to bring in foreign talent as each team has 8 intl slots and it is easy to get a green card for players, at which point you don't need an intl slot. Take my team, the Houston Dynamo - opening day they'll probably have max 4-5 Americans in the matchday 18 and most of those will be on the bench.

    3. Last year the leadership of MLS made the statement that they want to become a selling league. All of the nonsense rules that MLS has have been geared around getting quality young foreign talent and then flipping. Teams around the world have heard this and MLS is in the midst of its first transfer window with over $100 mil in transfer revenue to include moves like:

    Miguel Almiron to Newcastle
    Alphonso Davies to Bayern Munich
    Zach Steffen to Manchester City
    Tyler Adams to RB Leipzig
    Chris Richards to Bayern
    Yoshi Totun to Cruz Azul
    Giovinco to Al-Hilal
    Luciano Acosta to PSG (assuming it gets closed today - he's in Paris)
    Taylor Booth to Bayern

    Plus aggressive attempts by teams to sign Alberth Elis, Mauro Manotas and Kaku that were spurned.

    Conclusion: 2-3 years ago I would have said this is probably a bad move for Hwang. Today, I'd say that he'll be tested and forced to improve his game and if he does well, in all likelihood he goes to a Bundesliga team or elsewhere in 2 years.
     
  7. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Sigh the question is does he deserve a thread? The clear answer is no.
    Also for your players listed:

    Miguel Almiron to Newcastle (He's South American they get more opportunities than Asian players).
    Alphonso Davies to Bayern Munich (under 20, our u20 players go to Europe as well because European teams are mostly interested in raw players).
    Zach Steffen to Manchester City
    Tyler Adams to RB Leipzig (u20 and American and that Redbull connection)
    Chris Richards to Bayern (Bayern u19 team and American)
    Yoshi Totun to Cruz Azul (don't want to see HIB in Mexico)
    Giovinco to Al-Hilal (WOW we send players to M/E too)
    Luciano Acosta to PSG (assuming it gets closed today - he's in Paris) (South American)
    Taylor Booth to Bayern (u20 and to their youth teams aka doesn't mean shit).
    The only player I can't dispute is Zach Steffen but Manchester City (like CHelsea) sign loaded of players just to ship them off elsewhere like Mix Diskerud whos playing for Ulsan right now.
     
  8. Kanuck

    Kanuck Member+

    Feb 11, 2005
    La Belle Province
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    apparently not. this is getting childish now though. seriously. i get where peeps are coming from, but all they had to do was choose not to post in the thread and it would have died like ALL the other ones that weren't on topic or on point.

    there's 5 freaking pages of this already.
     
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  9. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    My point is, there's a step change going on in MLS and its relationship to leagues elsewhere that is reflected in transfer activity in the past year. That's no guarantee of success for Hwang, but it is a trend that makes it potentially a better move than it would have been in the past. Last 5 years of transfer revenue for MLS:

    2015: $11.2 mil
    2016: $19.7 mil
    2017: $1.9 mil
    2018: $45.4 mil
    2019 as of Jan 31: $45.5 mil - add on another $10 mil if Acosta deal is finalized.
     
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  10. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Slow day at work for some of us.
     
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  11. sac517

    sac517 Member+

    May 23, 2005
    hey arent you a white american? who said you could post here? what state are you from?
     
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  12. Kanuck

    Kanuck Member+

    Feb 11, 2005
    La Belle Province
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    yep
     
  13. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    It doesn't matter for Hwang Inbeom because
    a. He's a Korean player not quality South American players like many MLS teams are poaching and get sold for that amount.
    b. He's 22 and getting older, not under 20.
    c. Not American, so there's no market interest.

    Also again, I don't care if he's in MLS, good for him. What I do care about is that he doesn't deserve a fcking thread.
     
  14. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    3 bucks says he's from Arkansas
     
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  15. sac517

    sac517 Member+

    May 23, 2005
    haha judging by his handle, i just assumed the great state of texas.
     
  16. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    He drove to Texas twice in his life but really a good ole farmboy in Arkansas.
     
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  17. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    #117 Hodori, Jan 31, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2019
    The best time for HIB to have moved to Europe was in the upcoming summer transfer window. He had everything going for him. Exemption. Secured playing time for club. Secured playing time for the KNT.

    The MLS simply does not make sense at all despite what you've posted above. The wear and tear on his body is just unnecessary. The travelling that MLS clubs do is worse than anything that happens in Europe. And then there's the travel for KNT duties where it's not only to Seoul. Once he gets home, he has to then travel to AFC opponents for away matches.

    All that for wages that are probably worse than a German side after bonuses had he waited for this summer? Moreover, if he goes to the right club in Germany, he can renegotiate his wages if he performs. If he goes to the MLS and stagnates, then what? Will he go retire in China or the desert? Tbh, he could have made just as much by going to Japan.

    And let's discuss MLS and transfers. First, the big problem is that the league still handles transfers rather than the club. And then let's consider the transfers that you discussed above.

    Category 1: Cash in on youth
    Alphonso Davies - 18
    Tyler Adams - 18
    Chris Richards - 18
    Taylor Booth - 17

    Category 2: Speaks Spanish and from a country with a 4th tier league
    Miguel Almiron - 24 Paraguay
    Yoshi Totun - 28 Honduras? And he's going to Mexico rather than Europe
    Kaku - Paraguay 24
    Alberth Elis - 22 Honduras

    Category 3: Older DP
    Giovinco - is not relevant for Italy and he's cashing out to the desert
    Luciano Acosta - Argentina and 24 year old. But he has Boca in his pedigree. I'm unsure why he even took a detour in MLS, but he's starting from a different plane than HIB and is now in Paris b/c he's getting back on track of where he jumped off from.

    Category 4: Specialist position
    Zach Steffen - 23 and GK

    For me, HIB does not fit any of the categories in which the MLS made significant money in transfers. Justifying the move to the MLS to facilitate a move to Europe is not based on prior evidence imo.
     
  18. jessypjs

    jessypjs Member+

    May 3, 2010
    Club:
    AS Monaco FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    So, ignore this thread, you've been posting in it all day long.
     
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  19. killaorca

    killaorca Member+

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    I'm a leave now, peace y'all.
    Going to Kim Keehee thread.
     
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  20. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I fear the day Hodori changes. It would single the coming of the end of days.
     
  21. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    1) Yes, 2) Chicago originally now Houston via Bangkok, Seoul, London, Paris, Singapore, Seoul (again), Brussels, Paris (again).
     
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  22. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Being in the US I for one will find it easier to keep up with a KPA. Outside of EPL being on NBC here it’s hard to keep up with KPA’s. That’s where BSK fills the void for me.

    Funny you say people crap on K League. My impression has been the reverse, with majority of BSK crapping on MLS. I’ve said it before but I find the K League vs MLS argument moot when the major Euro leagues probably see both as one in the same.
     
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  23. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Reasonable points and there's the risk that he fades away into obscurity if he doesn't succeed here. As for the types of players MLS transfers, I'd argue the past isn't really relevant as things are rapidly changing. Moreover, yeah the only players transferred have been Latin American and American players, but that's all there's been here. There is not much precedence for young players from other regions.

    Sum up: would I have recommended the move to Hwang? No. When it was first rumored back in like November I laughed it off as it made no real sense. Now that he's here, though, I don't think it is the end of the world.
     
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  24. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  25. JoeKamel

    JoeKamel Member

    Jan 22, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Yes. Thanks to the Polar Vortex.
     

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