Welcome Mesut Ozil! The Gunners nation salute you!

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  1. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
  2. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

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  3. White/Blue_since1860

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    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    Tally ho!

    This post did not age well lulz
     
  4. mebeSajid

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    Feb 16, 2009
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    Back from the AfD convention?
     
  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    Actually, Im a SPD member but thanks for asking
     
  6. thebigman

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    oh dear the clown is back

    Take ozil out that German side and u don’t have a World Cup since 1990
     
  7. NorthBank

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    Yeah, that's what sucks. Even if the club WANTS to offload him, finding a buyer ain't going to be simple. I think it was postulated earlier that Arsenal might sweeten the deal, by paying part of his wages or something? Isn't that a thing sometimes?? I'm far from a transfer expert.

    Whether they're injuries or "injuries" I'm not sure it matters. Something has prevented him from getting as much playing time as he should have, and more importantly preventing him from performing as vital a role as he should have.

    I've moved on from having angst due to Mesut. It helps a lot that I'm not personally responsible for paying his ridiculous salary. But that doesn't stop me from feeling that it's such a shame how he just hasn't worked out for us, or that his big wage may be preventing us from being able to afford several more diamonds in the rough like Torreira.

    Edit: Hope you guys don't mind but I relocated this discussion from the MD thread to the Ozil thread, to be consistent with the little discussion I was having with @The Foo Fighter :)
     
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  8. dmike

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    I think you may be wearing AW goggles.

    The truth is sometimes right in front of us but we refuse to see it.
     
  9. DaPrince84

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  10. mebeSajid

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    Ozil’s camp would brief Honigstein, wouldn’t they?
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    They have in the past
     
  12. DaPrince84

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  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is what I said a few weeks ago

    This is on Emery's head so it better work out

    Otherwise he is burning Ozil's contract and creative ability on fire for no gains
     
  14. mebeSajid

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    Feb 16, 2009
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    I don't really get why, though: Ozil's actually a decent presser of the ball, and he's better at keeping the ball than anyone else we have.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's probably so simple as Emery doesn't want to work with him and tried to force him out
     
  16. DaPrince84

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    Emery doesn't want him and never wanted him.

    It's bizarre, and I don't understand how fans are seemingly okay with it.

    Imagine someone taking a job knowing they have a costly tool the organization invested a lot of capital and is expected to use. That person decides not to use the tool.
    It is stupid and makes me question the direction of this club.
     
  17. NorthBank

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    If you're right, then you have to ask yourself why Emery might not want to work with him? And why Emery's position on this would've evolved since pre-season? Do you think Ozil as a person, his fitness, his performances, his commitment, his cooperation have played no role in this?

    Edit: One thing we can surely agree on is that Ozil has become a divisive character at this club, more of a problem than a solution, starting with his wages. It's sad, but it is what it is. We need to move on, either with him or without him.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yeah - I don't disagree

    Probably they could not find a working relationship between the two of them and its now a very personal beef

    But the problem is he is one of the biggest assets Emery has - so now what?
     
  19. mebeSajid

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    If it's a personal beef, that's a huge black mark against Emery. The manager needs to be able to put that stuff to the side.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    But what other explanation can there be, besides trying to force him out?
     
  21. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    How times have a changed ..
     
  22. GunnerJacket

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    Sep 18, 2003
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    While not necessarily disagreeing with you that's a simplistic picture of the situation. Almost any office/team setting is going to feature personality clashes and/or differences in opinions. Organizations have to sort those out everyday and move forward. In this case I assume Arsenal saw Emery as their best option among realistic candidates and, knowing the manager was likely to be around a lot longer than Ozil, then hoped that the parties would strike a functional middle ground.

    And if we're being honest I think it's safe to say that if Ozil were performing consistently on the pitch when he did appear that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Emery deserves some criticism for struggling to adapt to the tools available, but likewise Ozil has apparently struggled to adapt to the new business philosophy at hand. Not the first time this has happened in football and it won't be the last. Such is often the price of transitions.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree

    the idea it is the fault of one guy or the other is simplistic

    But

    When Emery made this call, it is on him to make it work. So I will back him to make the right call - but losing 5-1 to liverpool when you dumped Ozil all the time for tactical reasons doesn't look clever IMO

    Ozil can't be the scapegoat for long if he doesn't make the squad for key losses
     
  24. DaPrince84

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    A thing that Arsenal fans need to understand, and understand quickly is that we cannot expect a manager to be here for 20 years. We can't even expect a manager to be here for more than 2 years.

    This is why I cannot buy into this kind of rhetoric.

    It may sound like I am solely getting on Emery, and defending Ozil but I am not. Ozil deserves a lot of blame for his apparent behavior too.

    But Emery took the job knowing he had to work with Ozil and has decided not too.

    Again, we can't expect a manager to be here a long time yet Arsenal fans seem to think thats the norm.
     
  25. GunnerJacket

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    True, but I'll grade Emery on the season rather than 1 game. Every manager has pulled a massive brain fart even in their best years. Even me!
     

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