Biggest Underachievers/Disappointments in USMNT history

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by keller4president, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I've been thinking about which players have been the biggest underachievers/disappointments in USMNT history, relative to their hype and potential, and comparing their club careers to their US careers. I'm only including players who were capped at least once for the US team, so at least had a shot (however small) of being taken seriously.

    I'm dividing the list into underachievers, and best careers cut short by injury. I'm trying to avoid any players who are currently age 25 or younger.

    Biggest Underachievers/Disappointments

    Freddy Adu - Kid got 17 caps, which is a hell of a lot more than most players. But aside from the 2011 Gold Cup, he never showed well at the international level. His club career speaks for itself. (Some may argue he even overachieved at international level given his talents.)

    Eddie Gaven - Had a stellar MLS career, which he started at 17. But could never translate it to the Nats. Then he retired abruptly at age 27. I do think he could have been a lot more impactful, perhaps if he had the heart and desire to move to Europe at an earlier age.

    Lee Nguyen - He's had an up and down club career, but has been lights-out in MLS the past few years. Despite that, he's never had great opportunities with the national team, and seems to have been criminally overlooked/ignored.

    Kenny Cooper - Was a Man United prospect that was heavily hyped. Then scored goals by the buckets in MLS. He went back to England and floundered, then got injured repeatedly. Could never live up to his potential, despite many thinking he was a savior.

    Brek Shea - Has 34 caps, nothing to sneeze at. Yet he's failed to meet his huge potential. Also flamed out of England, and has been barely noticeable in MLS.

    Conor Casey - After playing decent in the Bundesliga, you would have thought he would have had a better national team career. But in 19 caps, only scored 2 goals (in the same game, albeit a crucial WCQualifier). But one game does not make an international career.

    Danny Szetela - Got his soccer education in Spain and Italy, which got everyone excited. Then had brutal injury in 2010, from which he never recovered.

    Best Careers Cut Short by Injuries

    Terrence Boyd - Could have been on 2014 WC Team, and our heir apparent to Brian McBride. Still could make a comeback.

    Charlie Davies - Playing at his peak at time of injury. Had one good season in MLS a few years later, but could never reach former heights. Had great 2009 Confederations Cup.

    Stuart Holden - Played well in Premier League, but not sure how much a difference maker he was at international level. I'd say he surpassed his potential, but could have done even more.

    John O'Brien - The legend lives on...one of our best passers/handlers of the ball ever.

    Taylor Twellman - He had an amazing MLS career, but somehow underachieved for the National team. Then had career cut short by concussions.

    Maurice Edu - Played admirably in 2010 World Cup, but then could never recover from injuries in MLS. Could have challenged Michael Bradley for DM spot in 2014 cycle if he had been at full health.

     
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  2. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe Conor Casey tore his ACL early in his career just after leading Bundesliga 2 in scoring and never got back to those heights.
     
  3. manq360

    manq360 Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about personality conflicts? Feilhaber would, IMHO, have been an excellent international player, and did play quite a few games with good results. I think he did not play well with MB, as he was tried a few times and experiment not repeated. Then there was the coach problem. Such a shame as I think he could have been, and is, a great distributor of the ball.

    As far as Maurice Edu, I think he had one bad international game and was never given much chance after that.

    Agree about JOB and Brek Shea. JOB was injury prone. Brek Shea just could not put all of his physical assets together with a soccer brain. I had hopes for him last year and first part of this year to make a comeback...probably not going to happen.
     
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  4. la torre

    la torre Member+

    Dec 27, 2008
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Juan Agudelo is a guy i thought would make it for sure. All the pieces were there...size, speed, skill, soccer IQ. He tore it up at the youth levels, and looked fantastic when he was breaking into the league for the Red Bulls. Scored vs Argentina in 2011 and seemed destined for big things. Then it was a couple years of bouncing around Europe, and he's turned into a fairly underwhelming role player at New England. It seems like the desire and competitiveness faded away at some point. He's still only 25, so theoretically he could play himself back into the national team picture. But I think he's out of contract right now...if he decided to retire early like Brandon Vincent it wouldn't totally shock me (not that I'm suggesting that will happen).
     
  5. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did share the MF with MB in World Cup 2010 in three matches coming off the bench at halftime to replace Findley. as such, I wouldn't say it was an experiment that never happened, just that club struggles got in his way at times. The one year Feilhaber got steady games at a level about Regionaliga was 2009-2010. The rest of the time he only recent spot play here and there in Europe. Afterward, I agree it seems that he and JK just could not get along. For better or worse, Feilhaber's times in Europe didn't really help his career, it works for some, not as much for others.
     
  6. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. I don't really think of this as much as underachievements, but the dangers of fans buying into hype too early. Jovan Kirovski was that for me. He was a decent player that had a solid professional career and had a decent number of caps without appearing in a world Cup for the US. That said, I still remember the SI articles and other things. American wunderkind part of the incredible Manchester United bunker crop at age 16. He led the ManU reserves in scoring at a time they were producing tons of talent. He was a solid pro and I like Jovan, but those of us who followed the port then thought he was going to be a big star. I think it just goes to show the danger of putting too much stock in performances at youth levels.
     
  7. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I actually consider Feilhaber an over-achiever, rather than an under-achiever (though he could have been used more). He got to go to a World Cup, and played pretty well. Remember, he was a walk-on at UCLA, so got a late start on his development. Today, he would have been an academy player by 14 hopefully.
     
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  8. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    This is a weird one. Sir Alex Furguson, a decent judge of talent, twice tried and failed to get a work permit for Jovan. He mentions this in one of his books. You forgot to mention that he then went to Dortmund where he didn’t play much.BUT he did score in a CL league game, possibly in the year when BVB won it all! He had a lot of talent.
     
  9. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9 mattjo, Nov 4, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2018
    All true, but I never saw him as a force for the national team: nor as go to player for his clubs in Europe or really even in early MLS... no.

    He was at Dortmund for almost 4 years and played in a total fo 20 matches in teh Bundesliga (1 year on loan in Bundesliga 2).
    He moved to Sporting in Portugal and played in 5 matches.
    Wne to Crystal palace and then indeed did make it to the EPL playing a little under 600 minutes.

    As I said, a solid professional, but not nearly what was expected by folks. if we would have had Big Soccer back then, there would have been a meltdown about clubs not playing him.

    of course the soccer culture being what it was, it may have just been me and you chatting on an old Prodigy forum on this thing called the interweb :).
     
  10. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mathis has to be on the underachiever list.

    Also, I always felt like injuries cut short Bobby Convey's career prematurely.
     
  11. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every keeper since Howard.
     
  12. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I think both Mathis and Convey over-achieved, given their training and circumstances.

    Mathis performed amazing in 2002 World Cup, then had a quick decline. He only spent one year in a serious European league (Germany), plus a later stint with a desperate Greek team. So he burned very bright for the US, but his flame soon extinguished.

    Convey had a decent 2006 WC (his free kick caused an own-goal against Italy), but we flamed out in the group stages. He had a great five-year career in England, but again, had a quick decline and couldn't make the 2010 WC team. He was never going to be a superstar, but was a solid contributor for a time.
     
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  13. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't call Guzan an underachiever. He went from basically being unknown in youth circles and from two years at South Carolina to being a starter in the EPL for several years.
     
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  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Underachiever is too polite a word for Brek Shea, he is a f*ck-up.

    For underachievers, I'd say Juan Agudelo, who looked incredible at age 17-18.

    Holden and Davies, like JOB, were due to injuries, that's different from underachieving.

    Nguyen, Feilhaber, and Kljestan were due to a coach in Klinsmann who talking about proactive attacking football and then tried to squeeze as many defensive midfielders into his rosters as possible. None of them were world beaters, but all were MLS MVP finalists, they would have been useful to have on USMNT rosters at times when they were performing well.
     
  15. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is an NT thread,so I will say he disappointed as never being real competition for Howard.
     
  16. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    And again not by his fault. All his career is one strange story. I might be wrong but I recall he was a star on Irvine Strikers team that won National Youth Championship, and after that he didn't get scholarship.
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Mathis torn ACL twice. Healthy Mathis was our most talented player ever. US not anywhere close to Korea without him.
     
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  18. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #18 mattjo, Nov 4, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2018
    following the footsteps of UCLA walk-ons Jimmy Conrad and Cobi Jones :).

    here is a good article about Feilhaber's nomadic soccer youth. Basically his father constantly moved as an oil trader. Made it to California for high school. NCAA does not have the resources to do a lot of scouting. UCLA coach saw him in the aforementioned matches, but didn't have enough time to watch more so asked him to walk on. I am surprised he wasn't scouted mor given Irvine was a powerhouse and his coach was a former player who would have understood the college and professional scene.

    https://www.teamusa.org/US-Soccer/Features/2009/November/18/Feilhaber-plays-Denmark-today?p=1
     
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  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was it that Feilhaber didn't play well with MB (I don't remember that being a major problem), or that Feilhaber and Beckerman didn't get along (anyone know the story behind this, aside from their tussle in a national team camp, the pre-season fight between RSL and SKC, and 2013 MLS Cup?), and Klinsmann picked the latter, which made Benny persona non grata with the national team even when he was doing really well?
     
  20. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JK and Benny did not get along.

    Also Benny's overrated by many folks because he rarely played in the last 6 years and thus was not integral part to any the major failures. His game has some real flaws which is why he crashed out of Europe so hard.
     
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  21. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He problems with prior coaches too...Not just JK.

    I don't see Benny as an underachiever. He is a good/great MLS player who is inconsistent at the international level. Frankly, you could write that for a lot f USMNT players.
     
  22. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on what the baseline expectations were. Like most of our young players in Europe, hopes and hype for him were sky-high back in 2007 or so.

    He asserted himself with a booming gold cup goal against Mexico. And so then there were high hopes he'd succeed in Germany. He flunked there. Then he failed to get any playing time at Derby County, which was arguably the worst EPL team of all time.

    He experienced success at the lower levels of Scandinavian and MLS, but I think there were definitely hopes he would have been higher level player for the national team, at least a consistent starter throughout his prime. He did not live up to those expectations.
     
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  23. HartwickFan

    HartwickFan Member

    Jul 31, 1999
    Climax, MI
    Club:
    VfR Wormatia 08 Worms
    Nat'l Team:
    Tuvalu
    I would add the following two disappointments to the list:

    1. John Thorrington. Was on the books of Manchester United and Bayer Leverkusen and was gifted with world-class speed, but never panned out.

    2. Santino Quaranta. I remember the coach of the U17 national team he was on saying that he and Eddie Johnson showed more talent than Donovan and Beasley did at the same age. Sadly, Quaranta can't hold a candle to the careers of Donovan and Beasley.
     
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  24. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't Quaranta have really bad drug abuse problems?
     
  25. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Pre-1994: Steve Snow
    I don't speak from first hand knowledge, I simply write based upon an article I read several years ago and the statistics.
    111 goals scored in high school in Illinois
    49 consecutive high school games with a goal (remains a state record)
    1988 High School Player of the year
    1989: Leading Scorer in NCAA Tournament as a freshman
    1989 U-20 World Cup Qualifying: Scored 5 goals in 7 appearances
    1989 U-20 World Cup: Scored 3 goals in 6 games (team finished 4th in tourney)
    1991: Leading scorer in the Pan-American Games
    1992: Scored 10 goals in 10 qualifiers for the 1992 Olympics in Spain (including a hat trick on 3 shots vs Honduras, and a brace against Mexico)
    1992: Scored twice in two appearances at the 1992 Olympics

    Reading the story, you get the sense that Steve Snow was like a cross between Hope Solo and Clint Mathis, and those qualities lead to an incident almost identical to Hope Solo's understandable melt down with the media during the '07 World Cup when the coach inexplicably started a past it Scurry over her, in this case, Snow lost his ---- after Osiander decided to start Washington as a counterattacking element while parking the bus against Italy in the Olympic opener.

    Basically that blow up, combined with a torn ACL conspired to destroy his career (along with his basic temperament).

    The sense I get reading the story is that Snow probably would have been our top goal scorer of the pre-McBride era and might have been a crucial asset in 1998 in particular. It's funny to read the reports about the response to his melt down and see how much it has in common with Solo's melt down, and for me, the idiotic insular quality of the USMNT and to some extent the USWNT. While it's not acceptable, those kind of melt downs are understandable and they happen all the time in professional sports, but oddly, its our national teams that seem incapable of dealing with it in any way other than a "mean girls" "ostracize and penalize" approach. Strikes me as ridiculous. I just assume as adults, he can eat a punishment and the team can move on, but clearly the USWNT couldn't do that, and in Snow's case, it seemed a bit similar.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2014...-snow-usmnt-world-cup-hero-who-never-was-word

    Need to think about post 1994 examples for a bit before posting on that though immediately coming to mind are Ramos (head injury vs Brazil), Mathis and Wolff (knee injuries) they played after them, but we're never totally the same circa early 2000's, Freddy Adu which remains one of the more stunning fails to my mind (the talent was incredible but it just never came together reemphasizing how important work ethic, and mentality are), Michael Renken, Joseph Gyau etc.
     
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