Ok, I get it better now, and I guess I understood it generally before. I keep thinking back to Saturday with the 13 year old that received the ball at his feet. Seems like as a player, I would rather have the ball on the move moving towards goal in the area than with a FK outside the box. Do others here also believe that we are to judge which players on the team receiving the advantage ball are worthy of taking a shot versus calling the foul?
Absolutely, I'm sure most of us had the scenario where one kid is head and shoulders better than anyone else on the field, he/she gets hacked all the time but does not go down. Heck sometimes he/she even does go down but pops back up and continues. Do we call a foul or let him/her play on. Now back to the question at hand. If the ball goes to a player of similar caliber, do you really want to call a foul or do you want to see what he/she can do with it. one added note: Make sure to communicate with such player to let him/her know that you are seeing those fouls and letting him/her play through it. Try to prevent a potential retaliation.
Reminds me of one of my early RC! Star visitor pushed a defender off the ball. The linesman flagged me. I probably should have given both YC, but relied on word of linesman. Star visitor went off on me for the YC, so I gave him another along with a red card. Probably unfair, since I later assumed he was responding to something from the defender.
This weekend I did a game about 1.5 hr away from me. It’s a very small NAIA school. Like junior colleges would beat this team. It’s a small private liberal college on the side of a mountain. I don’t even like going to it because I lose cellphone reception about 20 mins before the school and I’m afraid I’m going to be brainwashed into a cult. The visitors were a powerhouse NAIA school with loads of money and ton of international students. They have players from France and England (Chelsea and Toulouse academy). They easily outclassed the other team. The coach was a Brit with a good sense of humor. His first comment was: Geez I’ve seen whorehouses cleaner than this field; for f*** sake there is dog poo on the pitch. (Which there was) During the game after their first goal: Line-o don’t let #14 score again. Everything’s offside for him. he’s a crystal palace supporter and may as well be dead to me. To the assistant coach: you are more useless than bag of dead puppies. How could you forget the yellow cones? The best of the night: Sean, what’s a matter with you? You couldn’t score in a brothel!!!
I thought we arrived at consensus last year that "fook," spoken with the appropriate accent, does not qualify as an F-bomb.
JV boys coach to one of his players: "I don't know WHERE you're running, but you're getting there really slowly."
I think where I do this most is when I am officiating a girls game. I read somewhere (and have noticed myself) that 80% or some higher number of goals are scored during set plays in a girls game. Much more than in the boys, I always take that into consideration on whether this team would rather have a foul 30 yards out or have the ball go to another player with 2 defenders in front of her. I also have a certain BV team that doesn't have a lot of good finishers, but they are big ol farm boys that tower over most teams defenders by a good 6-8"'s I know they would rather stand there and head the ball in then try and use their feet.
I just can't wrap my fingers around this. You're saying you may call the foul instead of letting advantage potentially play out because you "think" (or have considered they may want) they have a better chance of scoring from the set play of a FK. Doesn't this just open up a can of worms for referees? What if you do this, but the ball is squirting to their best player? The game just started, so you don't know this. Coach will go ballistic!
Yes this is the Personnel portion of the 4P's. If they don't have the Personnel give the foul. As far as having a foul happen when the game just started I would rather call the foul 30 yards out to set the tone. Of course if the ball is squirting to their player who is now 1v1 we will play the advantage and if it is 1v2 I will give a touch or two before calling it back.
I call this the Ronaldo effect. I like how GT worded it. But yes to his thought process. Some teams have that personnel or the right free kick taker. I notice a lot of DA teams will take the set pieces around the 18.
This is all about judgment and every game may be different. The whole concept of advantage is that we don't stop play if it is better for the fouled team that play continues. The only way you can evaluate that is by having a sense of the game--the game in general an the game being played right now. There aren't bright line rules on this. When there is a possible advantage, slow down and evaluate--if after a couple of seconds you realize the FK would be better for the team, blow the whistle, tell them you were checking to see if there was advantage, there wasn't, so going with the FK.
Like others have stated, it really depends on the feel of the game. I have called fouls where players are yapping about the advantage, and the other way around. It is how ITOOTR the fouled team is best given the advantage. Now, riddle me this: What about a match where the temperature is really rising and you want a quick whistle on the foul just to cool teams down. Does that influence anyone's feeling about advantage???
I just think it is a slippery slope on making it our decision. In your question, couldn't the referee use his voice to calm things down, and at the next stoppage deal with the offender to further cool things down? I think in most cases, not giving advantage is a potential hot mess.
The coach was already yelling as the ball went to the wide open player (goalie in box ,but no other defenders). He then took a touch or two and shanked it. Yeah, if he never got the ball, I'm calling the foul, no advantage materialized. I want to make sure you all realize that in my description here, the advantage was verbally and physically signaled. The advantage did materialize, but while the ball was rolling to the player, I could hear the coach.
@Soccer Dad & Ref it sounds like you're looking for black & white or right & wrong. It's rarely -- not never but rarely -- that simple when it comes to advantage. YHTBT. And even when you're there, it's a matter of judgment and discretion.
My guess is YHTBT. Is it possible that the coach didn't see the ball rolling to the attacking player? We all have had those "advantage" goals where the coach is yelling about the foul pretty much until it hits the back of the net. All I can say is if you think it is an advantage based on your experience then play it that way. Just make sure you come back and caution or AC at the next opportunity.