The Official Jesse Fioranelli thread

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  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


     
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  3. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to this article I read, Stahre had his first coaching role at age 14.
    • https://www.svenskafans.com/fotboll/268094.aspx
    • via google translate: "I realized quite quickly that I had neither the talent nor the attribute of becoming a sports star. The only chance yourself was as a leader or coach. There it started, I decided to make a damn attempt to have my hobby as a profession."
    Oops sorry, I was talking about Stahre, not Jesse.

    I was travelling, reading BS on my iphone, and I guess lost sight of which thread i was in...
     
  4. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know, man. Do we really want a coach with whom Pep Guardiola refused to shake hands? :eek:
     
  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm not a fan of Caleb Porter as a person. But pursuing him suggests seriousness-of-purpose (unlike a global search resulting in Mark Watson), and if he accepts his terms will likely demand seriousness of purpose. I'm evaluating whether Fisher has turned over a new leaf, not whether Porter is a good guy.
     
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  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I recall after Caleb Porter won the 2010 NCAA Men's Division I Soccer Championship, defeating the Louisville Cardinals, 1–0 Akron gave hijm a 10 year contract. Wonder if he regrets not staying at the colleege level?
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Armchair Analyst: Stahre's out, and whoever's next in SJ has work to do

     
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  8. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    Way No. 1 is worth a post too...

    "There are, I think, two ways of looking at Mikael Stahre's brief, unhappy and unsuccessful tenure as head coach of the San Jose Earthquakes that ended on Monday.

    Way No. 1: There are head coaches throughout this league, and throughout the history of this league, who've gotten more with less. Nobody should mistake the Quakes for a big-budget team, but nobody should mistake them for a small-budget team, either.

    Their total salary outlay is in the bottom third of the league according to the MLS Players Association. Salary, however, is just one part of a total team budget, and when you factor in transfer fees (San Jose spent significantly on Vako, Danny Hoesen and Magnus Eriksson over the past 1.5 years), academy outlay and USL investment, you're starting get a picture of a mid-budget club. This isn't Atlanta United or Seattle, of course, but Stahre had players from virtually every conceivable acquisition mechanism at his disposal.

    And he got very little out of them. The Quakes collected .71 PPG in Stahre's 28 games. In the entire history of MLS that is the second-worst PPG of any coach who had the reins of a team for 20 games, ahead of only Hans Westerhof – who managed Chivas USA in their expansion season.

    It's also significantly worse than the 1.36 ppg Chris Leitch guided the Quakes to during the second half of the 2017 season. And his teams were significantly less fun to watch than Leitch's (Leitch's teams couldn't defend worth a damn but they at least tried to be fun with the ball).

    San Jose were catastrophically dire and direly catastrophic for basically Stahre's entire tenure. And there was no end in sight, as 1) he was almost completely reluctant to use young players, and 2) the young players who did play under his watch didn't improve.

    What's the point of having an academy and USL set-up if the first team coach can't make use of it?"
     
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  9. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yes, Stahre was dealt a bad hand and nonetheless played it poorly.
     
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  10. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    and, because this is the Jesse thread and he hired the "second-worst" coach in league history, what does this tell us about Jesse's ability to evaluate talent and build a team? How has he not brought in anyone to shore up what has to be the most glaring line up gap in MLS history, our LB spot? and the players he has brought in are struggling to make any kind of consistent impact. If I'm being generous I'd give Jesse a D-
     
  11. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If the Quakes have the most glaring line-up gap in MLS history, Stahre should have kept his job, because he would have been effectively playing with 10 players all season. But Qwiberg was not so terrible that he could not have been trotted out every game, with better results, if only other Quakes players had played merely to their previously demonstrated capabilities.

    The Quakes problems were a complicated stew for which there was blame to go around. Dissecting and blaming certain individuals to the exclusion of others is a fool's errand. The 5-1 loss to SKC was the result of broad-based unprofessional malaise on the part of a team that couldn't be bothered to commit even a single professional foul to staunch the bleeding. Too often this collection of miscreants didn't come to play. Yet, Stahre kept playing the same stiffs, anyway, which is to his discredit. But the idea that he was handed a lineup incapable of clawing out of the MLS basement is ridiculous.
     
  12. RocktheCasbah4

    Dec 20, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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  13. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Talent acquisition is not easy, and he likely leaned heavily on Stahre's connections this offeseason to get players he thought could perform at MLS level. He was wrong, and I worry that Fioranelli doesn't have the network to bring in players who can actually succeed here. Vako has shown he can be effective, even with little help from others on the team, but he still hasn't been amazing. Eriksson has been pretty bad, for the most part, with a sign or two of competence. Kashia is a likeable guy, but not a great defender, I don't think.

    He has to do better than this. Finding talent is his primary job and he needs to be among the best at it if the Quakes are going to be successful on the field.
     
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  14. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    Kashia played better over his first few games and our defense looked stronger. but in recent games he's getting caught out of position, seems out of sync with the rest of our defense and doesn't have the speed against these much faster forwards. I hope we hang in there with him though, I see enough positives to think there's some upside as he adjusts to MLS.

    I'm worried about Fioranelli too, not only does he need to be well networked and have a keen eye for talent, he has to operate on a tighter budget than the top teams. this requires him to be even more savvy than his counterparts who have the backing of a more successful tradition and more money to work with. He's still new to MLS and it's hard to tell where he is on that learning curve but if the moves he's made so far are any indication, he's still lagging way behind which doesn't bode well for us.
     
  15. NedZ

    NedZ Member+

    May 19, 2001
    Los Gatos
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #1565 NedZ, Sep 18, 2018
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    The thing I found most interesting about this is that the public announcement was around 10:30 AM and a few hours later on the same day Porter has been interviewed, and Boca has had an inquiry about GBS's salary. (GBS contract expires in December 2018). Sounds like the EQ have been preparing a Plan B for some time now so that they could move quickly if they pulled the plug on Stahre. It could be that the win in Dallas bought more time for the EQ coach than he otherwise would have had. Also, Porter and GBS are already familiar with MLS, which might indicate a lesson learned when it comes to hiring coaches. (A year ago GBS was mentioned in connection with LAFC https://www.angelsonparade.com/2017...os-schelotto-remain-boca-juniors-manager-lafc).
     
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  16. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You always have a plan b, and c, and d. I don't like the idea of Porter getting the job, but he's a reasonable person to interview, at least. Schelotto I could get excited about. I loved the way he played and I think he would be a good influence in the league. I don't think it'll happen, so it's almost cruel to think about, but unless the Quakes can bring Marsch back to the league, I can't say I have anyone particular in mind, anyway.
     
  17. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Our only hope is that Fioranelli can somehow select a quality coach with a keen eye for talent...to make up for Fioranelli's poor eye for talent. Basically remove him from evaluating players for selection.

    Then somehow get out from under the contracts for Errickson, Vako and Godoy...probably a slow CB or two.

    Rebuild the defense with a real keeper, quality fast CB and quality LB.

    So much work to do...almost an entire rebuild. But it will be all for naught if we can't jettison the high priced underperformers.

    Fioranelli should go, he's hanging by his finger nails. The only thing that saves him is a smart big time coach who can basically call the shots on everything that affects field performance.
     
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  18. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You certainly want your coach to be a good judge of talent, but you can't ask them to both coach a first team and do the scouting for you. The GMs primary job is player acquisition. If Fioranelli isn't up to the task, rather than pawn it off on the coach, Fox should just get a GM who can find talented players.
     
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  19. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. Socarchist

    Socarchist Member+

    Feb 21, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    1042178368219832324 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Reports: Porter, Barros Schelotto on Quakes list?


    Nothing here that hasn't already been reported (same two tweets), but this is more coverage than the Quakes have had all year!

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  22. nihon2000

    nihon2000 Member

    Oct 14, 2008
    San Jose
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Socarchist

    Socarchist Member+

    Feb 21, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
     
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  24. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    nice that they don't try to pin all the blame on Stahre but still no word on our plan for getting things turned around.
     
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  25. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm surprised it's only a million. That's chump change to Fisher. A small price to pay to rectify the mess that was created.
     

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